Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"

[Lonemagpie]

https://warpfactortrek.com/strange-new-worlds-spock-amok-in-review/

 

[Voodoowoman2]

If it's not in the aired episode it doesn't count.

They were aired with the original episode.

 

[Skipper]

That's very true. And it can be really annoying (and kind of creepy sometimes.)

It's like some people can't fathom the concept of a deep friendship without sexual elements attached to it.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Someone earlier asked why does it have to come down to sexuality. Because some people dislike depictions of things they are uncomfortable with, and on the other hand, we LGBTQ+ like to be acknowledged as existing.

Someone also said they thought heterosexual was a term being shied away from. I can't recall that ever being commonly used, and even straight is mostly just mentioned when being not gay. In fact, I would say it's always been the least mentioned identity because it is assumed to be default. Straight characters are not in danger of disappearing. What is hopefully disappearing is the idea that people need to define themselves into slots and then justify any divergence from that slot. For example, I found it annoying when Stamets identified as gay on Discovery because it's needlessly limiting of his identity. It doesn't make sense to me in the confines of the world he lives in. However, I know that it really matters to some that he does identify as something, and to say gay in Star Trek is a step forward.

Stamets has a husband. It's obvious he is gay. Why are you not ok with that but want more depictions of lgbtq+(what does the + stand for) to be acknowledged.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Stamets has a husband. It's obvious he is gay. Why are you not ok with that but want more depictions of lgbtq+(what does the + stand for) to be acknowledged.

the plus is there to include anyone who doesn't identify strictly as the established lesbian, gay, bi, trans or qeer labels, namely somewhere else on the spectrum, fluid or asexual (which is a spectrum in itself)

 

[Weyoun 251]

Amazing!

Buddy cop La'an and Una
Freaky Friday Spock
The music from Amok Time in Spock's dream
The green v neck/wrap around tunic turns up

What a fucking episode! I have really enjoyed Disco, loved Picard, but this may be my favourite of the 3 live action new shows

 

[1001001]

Wonderful episode.

This show is firing on all cylinders right out of the gate. Let's hope it keeps going.

9

 

[ToddCam]

Stamets has a husband. It's obvious he is gay. Why are you not ok with that but want more depictions of lgbtq+(what does the + stand for) to be acknowledged.

As I said in my post, I like to think that we will move past the need for such labels.

 

[Paul755]

I liked the episode but not as much as y’all seemed to.

I dunno why, just don’t like Chapel. Maybe it’s the actress (she is a cutie though). Having her and Spock flirt was in interesting direction. I’m guessing they are gonna say the reason she leaves the Enterprise and gets engaged to Korby is because she can’t have Spock.

the body swap stuff wasn’t as cringy as I though when I read the episode description.

loved the M’Benga stuff. And his hat and the fishing stuff is totally a Henry Blake reference.

I wish they had spent more time with Una and Noonian-Singh. That was a fun little bit we didn’t see enough of.

Pike’s version of the wrap around seems more like a jacket than a uniform top. Something like Picard’s jacket.

7/10

 

[TRON JA307020]

Kirk doesn't say that he's straight. And the text implies he's dabbled with other genders but has a stronger preference for women, making Kirk pansexual. Or, at least, bi.

Here's the quote inset in this image:

He's not. Hes clearly straight. The TV show also makes it quite clear what Kirk likes. Of course heterosexuality is obsolete today for some. But it never can be. You cant change that. The novel is also not canon.

 

[Lord Garth]

I do think this T'Pring is less cold-hearted than her TOS counterpart, and more likeable.

Give her time. About eight years' time.

I can see her slowly moving towards her "Amok Time" self quite easily.

 

[ToddCam]

I just wanted to say, not all of us do. I already exist, I have very little need to be ‘seen’ by Trek, or anything else, certainly not in a blunt, obtuse way that some shows and movies chose to represent ‘we LGBTQ+’. I respect that some do, but not all of us feel that the best way to get past what is essentially a small part of my overall character, personality, and make-up as a human is to make it a part of a storyline or make a scene about inclusion or whatever. I just want it to be as natural as it actually is. Not a grand gesture. Not a celebration. I’m not a box to be ticked. I don’t want to be acknowledged as existing, I just want to exist. I feel the way both Picard and Discovery - especially Discovery - approach the subject does not make me feel acknowledged, accepted, seen or anything else, they make me feel abnormal and other and actually sometimes it makes me feel less than. I don’t like it and I wish it would stop. I know other people have different experiences and I’m glad for them, but as you were talking for all of us, I wanted to let you know that it’s not everyone and not all of us need or want that.

Maybe there was a better thread in which to respond, and I really don’t want to derail the thread which is and should remain about the episode. If a mod feels the need to delete or move this post, there’s certainly no objection on my part.

Depiction is not really what I was talking about so much as why it comes up. The original question was about coming down to sexuality, which I assumed was about discussion here on this board. I can respect not wanting to be acknowledged in any particular way or even at all. And yes, I said we without throwing out all the usual caveats. I'll rephrase as A lot of us LGBTQ+.

 

[wayoung]

As I said in my post, I like to think that we will move past the need for such labels.

Except that we in the audience aren't in the 23rd century. The point of representation is for people today to see characters who reflect themselves on screen in positive positions and accepted as healthy and normal, so they aren't ashamed of who they are and how how they feel and don't end up killing themselves. As well as to normalize the people previously lacking in representation to the general public so that the general public also accepts the type of person being represented as normal and part of everyday life and doesn't, ya know, go shoot 102 gay people in a night club in Florida.

 

[TRON JA307020]

As I said in my post, I like to think that we will move past the need for such labels.

I think people want to move past the heterosexual label and keep everything else. Which is why so many lgbtq are clamoring for Kirk to be bisexual.

 

[Trekker4747]

I think people want to move past the heterosexual label and keep everything else. Which is why so many lgbtq are clamoring for Kirk to be bisexual.

Yes, we're canceling heterosexual people.

 

[ToddCam]

He's not. Hes clearly straight. The TV show also makes it quite clear what Kirk likes. Of course heterosexuality is obsolete today for some. But it never can be. You cant change that. The novel is also not canon.

Kirk being straight is most likely. But seriously, does it offend you that some people leave open the possibility that, between CANON scenes, Kirk may have once or twice considered a man attractive? Kirk was also never shown shitting on a toilet, but I think it's not outside reason that he may have taken a dump in his life. (This is hyperbole.) Straight people are not on the way out.

 

[Photoman15]

I thought we were going see M'bemba on a date, but no, just fishing. Dude is just enjoying the water after so long on Arrakis.
I am glad we have an episodic series again. But the character arcs are a bit too episodic. I'd prefer if the stories stayed more self contained but less the character developments. Is M'bemba really gonna abandon his daughter to go fishing? sort of thing

He's not fishing, he's doing research. Look, he already used sea urchin paste to fix a mind-swap gone wrong. He's looking to the waters for something to help his daughter.

Well, it was bound to happen, the first dud of the show. The Pike stuff involving the new aliens was good, but everything else was absolute garbage. What the "comedy" stuff reminded me of the most was the comedy segments of Star Trek V that made no sense and made a lot of characters look like morons..

So you must have hated "The Trouble With Tribbles" and "A Piece of the Action", eh?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Yeah, I don’t get why „not the only kid on the block anymore“ equals „just the other thing from now on“ for some

 

[Muji]

Depiction is not really what I was talking about so much as why it comes up. The original question was about coming down to sexuality, which I assumed was about discussion here on this board. I can respect not wanting to be acknowledged in any particular way or even at all. And yes, I said we without throwing out all the usual caveats. I'll rephrase as A lot of us LGBTQ+.

I appreciate that, and I wasn’t really trying to get at you or wanting you to have to explain yourself, I just wanted to get my explanation out there that it’s not only those with an issue with LGBTQ+ that sometimes aren’t comfortable with it, and to explain my own personal position. Anyway, I appreciate the response and rephrase.

 

[ToddCam]

Except that we in the audience aren't in the 23rd century. The point of representation is for people today to see characters who reflect themselves on screen in positive positions and accepted as healthy and normal, so they aren't ashamed of who they are and how how they feel and don't end up killing themselves. As well as to normalize the people previously lacking in representation to the general public so that the general public also accepts the type of person being represented as normal and part of everyday life and doesn't, ya know, go shoot 102 gay people in a night club in Florida.

Yes, as I said in my original post. I understand why it matters. I disliked it because of the way it fit in with the fictional universe. I understand for visibility it is a positive thing.