It's strange but I really only like Staments. The other characters I care nothing about.
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STSNW's episodic storytelling or STD and STP's Serialized Seasons
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It's strange but I really only like Staments. The other characters I care nothing about.
The way STD and STP have done it does not work. It just doesn't.
Both are ok, but the biggest flaw in the serialized stories at the moment is that they don’t seem thought out well enough. Introduce problem, stall and ignore it for 8 episodes, quickly try to wrap up in finale. Need to block out progression better, or have decent bottle episodes that stand alone yet have progress towards the solution, or something. Or break up into smaller arcs, dunno. Just seems that, with DIS in particular, they have enough material for like 2-3 episodes and then just pad it out with nonsense until they hit 10 episodes. And even condensed, not sure those two-parters would stand up to decent two-parters from previous series. What DS9 did right was the mixture, or moving the season arc along while still able to take reasonable side quests.
also might just be the characters/actors as much as anything. PIC seemed better despite some bad writing and disjointed plots. SNW seems light years better, but might be that the single episodes force the writers to not mess around and indulge themselves. And amount just has IT as a Captain, with the grin and swagger that DIS doesn’t have and PIC was mostly written to no longer have. Pike is in charge, confident, calm, yet FUN. Still has doubts and issues, but without crying about it every 5 minutes or having several long emotional vent sessions per episode. Kinda like he’s a professional military officer/astronaut/diplomat/whatever else Starfleet makes Captains be out on the frontier.
SNW just immediately feels more comfortable and polished after a couple episodes than the serialized shows have managed over years.
also might just be the characters/actors as much as anything. PIC seemed better despite some bad writing and disjointed plots. SNW seems light years better, but might be that the single episodes force the writers to not mess around and indulge themselves. And amount just has IT as a Captain, with the grin and swagger that DIS doesn’t have and PIC was mostly written to no longer have. Pike is in charge, confident, calm, yet FUN. Still has doubts and issues, but without crying about it every 5 minutes or having several long emotional vent sessions per episode. Kinda like he’s a professional military officer/astronaut/diplomat/whatever else Starfleet makes Captains be out on the frontier.
SNW just immediately feels more comfortable and polished after a couple episodes than the serialized shows have managed over years.
Thank you, though that's not the point. My point is it that episodic is not the only way, nor is the only Trek is to be. Just because Strange New Worlds has demonstrated good success does not mean we toss out a useful tool.Im happy for you. I really am. Congrats.
Episodic is where trek started and has been most successful. A 10 hour episode is just too hard to slug through for me.
So it should be discarded because it doesn't work for people? TNG didn't work for me. Should it have been discarded because I don't like it?
No because TNG was more successful that STD or STP.
That's not the question. This isn't about success. You say it doesn't work for you. I say it works for me. How do we balance it out? Do we discard things that don't work for individual fans?
The studio will use what gets more fans to watch or subscribe. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few......or the one.
It was the first star trek show made for paramount plus so yeah they are going to keep it. It has its fans but I believe SNW will be much more successful.
And I go back to my original thought on this thread: why not have both?
Studios will gravitate to what's going to get more people to watch. They might make another serialized trek like Section 31 but I have to believe that will be boring as well since the same people will be serializing it. They just aren't good at it. But whatever makes more money or drum up more attention will win out in the long run. I think SNW is doing the best out of all the new trek shows.
"The best" is highly subjective. DSC keeps making shows too. So clearly people are enjoying it, as well as Strange New Worlds.
Isn't "the best" idea to craft a multitude of products to draw in the most audience members? DSC is straight out of the Netflix Marvel style playbook. It has appeal to audiences members, such as myself. SNW also appeals to me, though I'm less drawn to come back to it as often.
There's a lot of words/phrases I would use to describeTNG.
" The best Star Trek..."
Ins't one of them.
I have my issues with STD, but the to bad ratio for the first 52 episodes is better than the entire 178 episode run of TNG.
For me TNG in general has very low rewatch value (And its the same with PiC). Yes the series has some really good episodes that they are very much few and far between. In fact some of the episodes I thought were honestly okay, have become less rewatchable for me as time moves on. (TNG S2 Q-Who being one example. I used to really like it, but on a recent re-watch it came across just how utterly incompetent Piccard was in the situation. Calling for another staff conference in the middle of a combat situation...
not to mention ignoring the advice of the one person you specifically asked advice from because her people have encountered the Borg before...)
TOS OTOH to this day still has a very high rewatch value for me even though I've been watching the episodes since 1969 at age 6.
SNW to date has really hit the back jackpot for me as far as rewatchability is concerned. I know at one point there will probably be a bad episode; but so far it's 4 for 4, and overall it has the best start of any Star Trek franchise series to date.
YMMV.
" The best Star Trek..."
Ins't one of them.
I have my issues with STD, but the to bad ratio for the first 52 episodes is better than the entire 178 episode run of TNG.
For me TNG in general has very low rewatch value (And its the same with PiC). Yes the series has some really good episodes that they are very much few and far between. In fact some of the episodes I thought were honestly okay, have become less rewatchable for me as time moves on. (TNG S2 Q-Who being one example. I used to really like it, but on a recent re-watch it came across just how utterly incompetent Piccard was in the situation. Calling for another staff conference in the middle of a combat situation...
not to mention ignoring the advice of the one person you specifically asked advice from because her people have encountered the Borg before...)TOS OTOH to this day still has a very high rewatch value for me even though I've been watching the episodes since 1969 at age 6.
SNW to date has really hit the back jackpot for me as far as rewatchability is concerned. I know at one point there will probably be a bad episode; but so far it's 4 for 4, and overall it has the best start of any Star Trek franchise series to date.
YMMV.
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Not so much in the 50's and 60's though. The lead men could fall in love, get married and lose their wives in one episode and in the next episode there were leprechauns in the wild west. Also, in 60's television it was generally a death sentence for any woman a lead man fell in love with.
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