STSNW's episodic storytelling or STD and STP's Serialized Seasons

[fireproof78]

Popularity leads to success of a product which would lead to valid opinions about how successful and why a product is successfull.

All opinions are valid.

And have no bearing on my opinion. Something could be rated 1% on whatever website and if I like it then I like it. People should not hide behind popularity to justify opinion. Offer the opinion, ask questions and engage in discussion. Don't hide behind numbers, and statistics of supposed popularity. Fame and popularity are fleeting, transient, things. I don't trust it.

 

[TRON JA307020]

All opinions are valid.

And have no bearing on my opinion. Something could be rated 1% on whatever website and if I like it then I like it. People should not hide behind popularity to justify opinion. Offer the opinion, ask questions and engage in discussion. Don't hide behind numbers, and statistics of supposed popularity. Fame and popularity are fleeting, transient, things. I don't trust it.

We have better tools today to gage popularity then we did in the 1960s. Yeah SNW is really popular right now. Much more than STD or STP.

 

[fireproof78]

We have better tools today to gage popularity then we did in the 1960s. Yeah SNW is really popular right now. Much more than STD or STP.

And?


That's the question. Why does this matter so much to you? Why not just appreciate SNW as the goodness you want and state it as such? Leave Discovery and Picard behind and embrace your enjoyment.

 

[TRON JA307020]

And?


That's the question. Why does this matter so much to you? Why not just appreciate SNW as the goodness you want and state it as such? Leave Discovery and Picard behind and embrace your enjoyment.

I enjoy the debate. Also it seems it's moving toward episodic for future shows I hope.

 

[fireproof78]

I enjoy the debate. Also it seems it's moving toward episodic for future shows I hope.

Probably. Or it will continue as a mix, thus appealing to people who like both.

And? Will you watch more because it's episodic? Will you watch less because of serialization? What impact does that have on your viewing habits?

 

[TRON JA307020]

Probably. Or it will continue as a mix, thus appealing to people who like both.

And? Will you watch more because it's episodic? Will you watch less because of serialization? What impact does that have on your viewing habits?

I'll watch less because it's serialized. Ive watched the snw eps more than once already. I only watched STD and STP seasons only once. Not going to sit through 10 hours or padded filler when I already know the ending to the missions.

 

[fireproof78]

I'll watch less because it's serialized. Ive watched the snw eps more than once already. I only watched STD and STP seasons only once. Not going to sit through 10 hours or padded filler when I already know the ending to the missions.

Cool.

Enjoy SNW. I know how those will end too.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Cool.

Enjoy SNW. I know how those will end too.

You know how each individual mission will end?Exactly?

 

[Noname Given]

STD and STP are still out there and causing damage to the brand. So yeah it's still a problem in my opinion.

Nothing is causing "damage to the brand"

That has to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen posted. Star Trek is no longer one monolithic thing. They're now taking a variety of different approaches in an attempt to reach a broader audience. If you don't like one version of what they're doing don't watch it.

That's what I did with Star Trek Voyager after its first season. I gave it a full season to see if I liked it and I gave up on it. The nice thing about what's going on now is there are different programs with different styles of Storytelling but they're all based in the same Star Trek universe.

 

[Jarvisimo]

Also it seems it's moving toward episodic for future shows I hope.

Wait, do you have any proof for this?

Also SNW is new - and why people like it might be to do with its light-touch serialisation, or for completely different reasons. It's really hard to pin this down, when we don't have any form of polling. Reasons why people like it can include that the show has what seems to be a fantastic cast, or that it has more legacy design, or that it is funnier, or that it stars a white patriarchal male man who isn't too old, or that it is less aggressive than either Discovery or Picard, or that it feels fresh, or that it isn't about "universe-ending threats" (so far), etc. None of this is necessarily to do with how it tells its story, alas.

I will definitely say I am currently preferring this far more than any season of Discovery or Picard - but I think this is partly because the stories they have focused on in those six seasons have not been very good ones for season-length serialisation (nevermind the bts drama on Discovery's first two seasons!). There are other issues I have with each as well, beyond their season-plotting, that also affects this - which ties into some of the points above too - I like SNW for many different reasons, not just its episodic format.

However Trek serialisation can work very well - while Ds9 was only truly serialised for 16 total episodes - you only need look at the 15/20 years of Treklit from the DS9 relaunch onwards (or even New Frontier before it) to see it done often very well.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Nothing is causing "damage to the brand"

That has to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen posted. Star Trek is no longer one monolithic thing. They're now taking a variety of different approaches in an attempt to reach a broader audience. If you don't like one version of what they're doing don't watch it.

That's what I did with Star Trek Voyager after its first season. I gave it a full season to see if I liked it and I gave up on it. The nice thing about what's going on now is there are different programs with different styles of Storytelling but they're all based in the same Star Trek universe.

It sure did. Thats why they made SNW episodic.

 

[Noname Given]

It sure did. Thats why they made SNW episodic.

Brilliant reply - you really backed up your dumb statement with that blistering response...oh, wait....

Funny how that if STD is doing so poorly, it continues to be renewed each yes - Season 5 is in pre-production.

As for PIC - It seems the majority of TNG fans can't wait to see the 'old gang' reunited.

 

[fireproof78]

You know how each individual mission will end?Exactly?

Heroes win and warp off to a new adventure none the wiser.

But, hey, as long as people's ears are tickled then we're good.

That has to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen posted. Star Trek is no longer one monolithic thing. They're now taking a variety of different approaches in an attempt to reach a broader audience. If you don't like one version of what they're doing don't watch it.

Exactly. This idea of "damage" is the most ridiculous hyperbole about what these shows did. People can debate about quality but damage? No, not in any way meaningful. And, fun fact, fan feelings being hurt is not meaningful damage.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Brilliant reply - you really backed up your dumb statement with that blistering response...oh, wait....

Funny how that if STD is doing so poorly, it continues to be renewed each yes - Season 5 is in pre-production.

As for PIC - It seems the majority of TNG fans can't wait to see the 'old gang' reunited.

Yeah I wonder why they are bringing the tng crew back. Wasn't the new crew just the greatest thing to hit trek in a long time? Oh wait most aren't coming back . Hmmmmm

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah I wonder why they are bringing the tng crew back. Wasn't the new crew just the greatest thing to hit trek in a long time? Oh wait most aren't coming back . Hmmmmm

If the goal is the "Greatest ever Trek" then it is just nostalgia bait. And that's not interesting to me.

 

[TRON JA307020]

If the goal is the "Greatest ever Trek" then it is just nostalgia bait. And that's not interesting to me.

The first two seasons of STP certainly weren't the greatest trek ever. More like the mediocre trek ever.

 

[fireproof78]

The first two seasons of STP certainly weren't the greatest trek ever. More like the mediocre trek ever.

I don't want greatest ever. So, no thanks to this stipulation.

Unrealistic expectations are quite damaging to personal enjoyment. I'm good without it. Trek was never the greatest ever. It's good fun, an adventure. That's what I want. Not "best ever" anything.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I don't want greatest ever. So, no thanks to this stipulation.

Unrealistic expectations are quite damaging to personal enjoyment. I'm good without it. Trek was never the greatest ever. It's good fun, an adventure. That's what I want. Not "best ever" anything.

Nothing made in the last 5 years can touch The Wrathnof Khan. When i think how great that movie was and still is then I think about STD or STP I get depressed.

 

[fireproof78]

Nothing made in the last 5 years can touch The Wrathnof Khan. When i think how great that movie was and still is then I think about STD or STP I get depressed.

Ok. Sounds like a personal problem to me. I would suggest seeing a professional as depression can cause significant personal life impacts.

As for TWOK, it's a great film but that time has past. Which is why I don't give a shit about how great TWOK is in relationship to current Trek. It isn't the 80s anymore, and I don't want TWOK again. I don't play the asinine comparison game.

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[dupersuper]

Nothing made in the last 5 years can touch The Wrathnof Khan. When i think how great that movie was and still is then I think about STD or STP I get depressed.

I have plenty of issues with Picard and Discovery, but it hardly seems fair to compare them to one of the franchise's all time high points. A Fistful of Datas is no Wrath of Khan either, but it's a fun enough episode and I enjoy it. Plus: Prodigy and Lower Decks have also been released in the past 5 years, and they're great. Short Treks were often fun as well.