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Poll Who will YOU ship for?

Who will YOU be shipping for?


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Doesn't matter. The trial by combat is grounded in their biology and predates Surak. And surely you don't think there's an entire planet full of Vulcans who all live by "Surak's teachings?"
How do you know that the trial by combat predates Surak’s teachings? I think that Surak’s teachings were not followed by the majority on Vulcan for quite a long time at one point, his teachings had a resurgence in the 22nd century though there had been at least one underground movement that had always continued to follow them. There are also many different Vulcan interpretations of Surak’s teachings, so perhaps many different ways of interpreting their mating rituals too. The Syriannites, for example, were perceived to be an extremist group who were following an interpretation of these teachings which the Vulcan high command at one point found to be unacceptable. In the long term though, I don’t think that the Syriannites ended up being the extremists as their beliefs seemed to be normalised in to Vulcan life by the 23rd century. For example, previous to the 22nd century for a long time the Vulcan’s couldn’t even legally mind meld… it even spread a mind version of an ‘STD’ similar in stigma as HIV has been on Earth. T’Pol even caught this mental disease at one point.

If the Vulcan’s stopped following Surak’s teachings for a few centuries, then why did the Romulan’s leave Vulcan? Vulcan society seemed to be going somewhat in the same direction as to that of the Romulan's as depicted in Enterprise. The Vulcan’s in Enterprise did tend to get quite angry and emotional. Soval for example was often quite cranky. Perhaps the Romulan’s had been influencing Vulcan society secretly over the years and the Syrainnites and other groups like them helped to restore Vulcan back on to the track of Surak? If Vulcan was being influenced in a similar direction to that of the Romulan’s, it would have made unification between the two species much easier from a Romulan perspective, even if it undermined Vulcan and Surak in the process. Maybe the Romulan’s were behind this?
And why would Surak have necessarily been against the trial of combat? He may well have considered it a normal and, dare I say, logical way for Vulcans to release the emotions bottled up within them.

If they're going to kill each other to win a mate...might as well do it in a way that's grounded in ritual.
What is logical about committing a murder to find or ‘dispose’ of a mate if you don’t like them? The person being murdered could have been an innocent; a renowned scientist, a starship captain, a philosopher or just a generally nice person with a family and dependents. That loss of life, or any loss of life for that matter, is not logical. No one should have the right to choose who lives or who dies, even indirectly… that would make the person making the decision a monster. It is like corporal punishment almost, but when no crime has actually been committed, or is the crime in the case of trial by combat something as simple as love or even jealousy or anger? Vulcan’s don’t like emotions, so perhaps this was a way of killing people off if they succumbed to their basic and primal emotions?

BTW, did you know that Surak’s Katra is still around? At least it was in the 22nd century. It was transferred in to a Vulcan high priest in an Enterprise episode and may even be hanging around in someone’s head in the 24th century and beyond. Maybe Surak’s teachings had a resurgence as a result of this?

I’m stating all the above as canon when I might be recalling things incorrectly by the way, “it’s been a long time….:guffaw:So please feel free to correct any inaccuracies or anything that I have interpreted from canon incorrectly lol. :D
 
Why would I ship anyone when we already have to explore:
  • Pike & the female captain in the premiere
  • Pike & Una (Una fantasied about him according to the Talosians)
  • Una & Spock (according to "Q&A")
  • Spock & T’Pring (worth seeing how it fell apart)
  • Spock & Uhura (worth seeing if any parallels are drawn to their relationship in the Kelvinverse)
  • Spock & Chapel (the flirting has already begun, and it continues into TOS)
  • Hemmer & other Aenar/Andorians (the four genders of Andorians/Aenar have yet to be made canon)
  • Robert April & Sarah April

And we are still getting to learn about La’an, Ortegas, Kyle, & Sam Kirk too.

Seems like a full slate right now.
 
Hadn't even considered La'an and Ortegas before looking at the poll, but that's actually not a bad idea.

This is always tricky with a prequel though - Pike ends up with Vina in the end, Spock ends up with Kirk single, Uhura seemingly ends up single, Chapel ends up with Roger Korby and then later single with an unrequited love towards Spock, etc. So you've only really got the new characters to play around with when it comes to this kind of stuff. And Number One, I suppose, since we don't know anything about her post-Cage.

I'd also suggest there's no real time for romance as the show is right now, given the short season lengths we're dealing with. Something like Riker and Troi (or Janeway and Chakotay, even though the writers sort of ditched it) was able to build and evolve over time, but with ten jam-packed episodes per season, there's really no time to give any relationship the treatment it deserves.
 
Are we in Jr. High now?
Bye.
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I'd also suggest there's no real time for romance as the show is right now, given the short season lengths we're dealing with. Something like Riker and Troi (or Janeway and Chakotay, even though the writers sort of ditched it) was able to build and evolve over time, but with ten jam-packed episodes per season, there's really no time to give any relationship the treatment it deserves.

They could do romance of the week or romance of the season. I'm not sure if they want to though.
 
Dude. Did you go through the entire thread before taking a stand on the level of maturity here? The title of the thread didn't tip you off so you could avoid it altogether?
It would be nice for those who find shipping a bit, shall we say, juvenile, to be able to express themselves though, right?
 
It would be nice for those who find shipping a bit, shall we say, juvenile, to be able to express themselves though, right?

I suppose. But then you ought to stick around to do it then, right? I'm not a shipper - that is to say, I'm not personally attached to any pairing and I'm happy to let the show itself tell me stories about the characters and their relationships as they develop (or don't). But I'm kind of fascinated by trends in shipping and fanfiction. SNW, for example, has generated a lot more lesbian erotica rather than the usual m/m. Is it because there are more women leads in the show? Or because there are more Gen Z viewers now who are generally more accepting and open about sexuality in all its myriad combinations?
 
:barf:

Where's the 'no shipping' button on the poll?

Why is impossible to depict a crew of professionals working together as a team and being friends without the relationship drama? Don't any of them have an SO back home?
Thank you. I am SO tired of television shows being incapable of showing a true professional work environment. Having everyone paired up with each other creates the wrong impression that men and women can't work together without having thoughts of sex in the back of their minds. Relationships among co-workers are rare, not the norm. At least in my experience.
 
Thank you. I am SO tired of television shows being incapable of showing a true professional work environment. Having everyone paired up with each other creates the wrong impression that men and women can't work together without having thoughts of sex in the back of their minds. Relationships among co-workers are rare, not the norm. At least in my experience.

How often would that be the case on a five year mission in what amounts to a flying town?
 
Relationships among co-workers are rare, not the norm. At least in my experience.
I suspect your work experience has largely been with people who are already married. When you have single people working closely together for a long while, relationships are bound to happen. At least in my experience.
 
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