Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"

[TRON JA307020]

Oh noes! *clutches TOS VHSs to protect them from rewriting!*

Well then you agree.

 

[mswood]

In a small number of episodes, we are given information on the chronology of the series. For instance, in "The Deadly Years", Sulu said that he had served under James Kirk for two years.

SPOCK: Mister Sulu, how long have you served with Captain Kirk?
SULU: Two years, sir.

And, in "The Day of the Dove", we are told by Kang that the Klingons and the Federation have been at peace for three years.

KANG: For three years, the Federation and the Klingon Empire have been at peace. A treaty we have honored to the letter.

I liked much of the newest episode of SNW; however, there is a dialog line which I feel was awkwardly shoehorn into the episode as a homage to "Arena".

"The Gorn trigger a primitive, ancient, terror in warm-blooded species".

The original line: "Like most humans, I seem to have an instinctive revulsion to reptiles."

The Sulu line doesn’t indicate time on the enterprise just time served under Kirk. If Kirk captain another ship, it could indicate that Sulu served with him on that ship. Hell Kirk wouldn’t even have to be of captain rank, or even serving as a Captain with a lower rank. He technically could be a department head, over Sulu.

I didn’t recall the Klingon line. But this episode everyone is under alien influence and that did make characters openly lie and give factual very inaccurate data. So I would certainly take it with a grain of salt unless it was said after they got the alien influence removed from their minds.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Biggest problem with the effects was scale, I think.

The black hole looked comically small.
So it must have been on the smallest scale a black hole can be.
It was in the process of consuming a brown dwarf, which accounts for the accretion disc.
Can someone give an estimate how fast the matter in the disc would be swirling around the BH and how dense the disc must be?
It‘s not the gravity that would endanger the ship, it would be high energy particle bombardment of ultra hot gas at close to light speed, I think.

errrrr... black holes can be very small. Like to small to see small. The important measurement of a black hole is it's mass.

 

[jackoverfull]

No. It was reported as lost with all hands. The exact nature of the mission was classified.

all right then. Thanks.

 

[fireproof78]

Well then you agree.

That my TOS VHS tapes are in danger of being rewritten?

Really?

Whatever conspiracy theory is going on here I'm not buying it. Nothing is being rewritten. It's just a variation of the story told. TOS will still exist and still be incompatible with some aspect of continuity since TMP. I'm OK with that.

 

[Belz...]

I like the show I just think they are planning in rewriting TOS after the Pike missions.

Yes, I know, but it's entirely speculative, and the reasoning given is flawed.

They must shut off at some point because when we see the ship drop out of warp in the pilot episode we see them turn back on.

Yes and that shot was in the trailer, but we haven't see anything like that since.

 

[cooleddie74]

The reasoning given is stupid if all of this is one continuity and Prime as the producers keep telling us. TOS isn't going anywhere.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Oh noes! *clutches TOS VHSs to protect them from rewriting!*

Well then you agree.

Sarcasm:
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
2b : the use or language of sarcasm *

* I usually disdain defining a word with the word, but I included "2b" for completeness' sake.

 

[TRON JA307020]

The reasoning given is stupid if all of this is one continuity and Prime as the producers keep telling us. TOS isn't going anywhere.

There are way too many changes in visual, story and character canon. It really doesn't fit well anymore.

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't like some it, either, but that doesn't mean TOS is being overwritten. Flashbacks to 24th century events and ships set before Season 1 of TNG often looked more advanced than the Enterprise-D and had more lavish sets but that doesn't mean TNG was being dropped from continuity.

 

[Caeruleus]

Masterpiece from this episode:

La'an to Pike: We lost one crew person (bcs of sealed bulckheads to some parts of the ship ordered by Pike)
Spock to Pike: You made the logical choice.
Pike to Spock: Why doesn't it feel like that?
Spock to Pike: For the same reason you made it. Because you value life.

This is TNG/DS9 quality of dialog between characters.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't like some it, either, but that doesn't mean TOS is being overwritten. Flashbacks to 24th century events and ships set before Season 1 of TNG often looked more advanced than the Enterprise-D and had more lavish sets but that doesn't mean TNG was being dropped from continuity.

Yes it does. It's completely deleted....

Masterpiece from this episode:

La'an to Pike: We lost one crew person (bcs of sealed bulckheads to some parts of the ship ordered by Pike)
Spock to Pike: You made the logical choice.
Pike to Spock: Why doesn't it feel like that?
Spock to Pike: For the same reason you made it. Because you value life.

This is TNG/DS9 quality of dialog between characters.

Looks more like TOS just reading it. Sounds like McCoy.

 

[mswood]

Well the semi-official chronologies sure seem to indicate that Where No Man Has Gone Before is a good year before the rest of TOS, and that the whole Kirk tenure is five years. Take is as you will, as it could of course be overriden by the series on a whim.

Yes and course the authors foreword specific mentions that much of their chronology is based on assumptions and conjectures. Thus taken it as fact isn’t its purpose, its meant as guide post, an easy reference, but not a true historical reference. Take for example it’s dates for Kirks five year mission don’t match what the writers used for the end of that 5 year mission in Star Trek Voyager. That date is consider canon, the Chronology is considered conjecture except those dates (well most of them anyway) that are specific.

 

[Tuskin38]

Since Captain Lorca even had a Gorn skeleton displayed in his Ready Room

That was his secret lab, not his ready room.

So wait - Chapel was wearing a Farragut pin. This is interesting to me. That was Lieutenant Kirk's ship. They were attacked by the space vampire cloud thingy and lost a lot of people, including Captain Garrovick, but they didn't lose the whole ship.

The pins were also for ships that lost a large amount of life, not just ships that were destroyed.
At least according to the description for their display as the Chicago Convention.

Via Trekcore

 

[137th Gebirg]

Ah, that explains it then, thank you.

Definitely would love to see a set of these mass-produced. This actually seems to be something up in QMx' wheelhouse, like what they did for the NuBSG rank insignia pins and dogtags.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like how the Farragut was one of them. Just two years earlier the ship lost at least 200 crew members at Tycho IV.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

You were right you imagined it?

I imagined I was right once. Scary thought, so I resolved never to do that again.

That my TOS VHS tapes are in danger of being rewritten?

It's a long list, but they still have one or two operatives sneaking into houses with big-ass magnets to get those VHS tapes taken care of.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

One of my favorite moments of the episode.

Upon a second watching I actually found Ortegas' quips less annoying due to Pike's exasperation to them.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I actually found the tension pretty strong for this episode. Maybe I'm just remembering that final scene with Pike's relief after Hemmer and Uhura survived, but I was thinking, Pike must be kicking himself constantly for every death, wondering if he's being so brash because he has an assurance that he will survive this.

I really liked the relief on his face, especially since Uhura is likely the youngest person on the ship. Losing her would have been a double gut punch for Pike on his mission to save the future little ones.

 

[fireproof78]

It's a long list, but they still have one or two operatives sneaking into houses with big-ass magnets to get those VHS tape taken care of.

Curses! Now I have to move again.

One of my favorite moments of the episode.

Upon a second watching I actually found Ortegas' quips less annoying due to Pike's exasperation to them.

I have that look on my face every day.