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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"

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Photoman15 said:
But that's almost word for word Picard's conversation with Lily Sloane in "FIRST CONTACT".
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I mean, that's the point isn't it? I rip off First Contact for a joke but realize Lily isn't around to talk smack to La'an, so I replace her with some other character known to be active in the 23rd century yet could possibly be new to the Federation, and Guinan possibly left Earth to return to El-Auria and may well have missed the Fed's founding.

Mr Awe said:
But I think they'll let SNW run its full course first. They won't be in a rush to end a hit series. And I really want to see more adventures with Pike and his crew.
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For all we know Pike was immediately cured of delta radiation after Menagerie and got back into action. Then just continue the show during the TOS movie period between TMP and WOK
 
cooleddie74 said:
Won't happen. SNW will end before the first Kirk episode of TOS. They're not rebooting TOS or wiping it from the continuity. And if some fans don't like the original 1960s or Remastered visuals, well, that's their loss. I wouldn't touch TOS in the canon and end SNW as Pike hands over command of the Enterprise to Kirk.

To do otherwise would be stupidity and while the CBS Era of Trek has had its stupid, illogical and lousy creative choices there's no indication TOS is in danger.
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I sure hope they branch off of SNW and TOS with a new Trek show, featuring some of the SNW characters but on a different ship.
I just love this re-imagined TOS era.
 
Belz... said:
Maybe a refit to bring it more in line with the TOS look but not too much. The proportions are completely different, so I'd rather not see such a radical change in-series. Let each show have its visual style.
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Meh. The proportions of the TMP refit versus the TOS ship are also quite different and we're meant to believe they're the same ship. I could buy that it was given a fresh coat of paint, sleeker nacelles and a slightly longer neck. We'd be seeing it for a total of 1 seconds at the end while the TOS theme plays right before the end credits anyway.
 
Flux Capacitor said:
Meh. The proportions of the TMP refit versus the TOS ship are also quite different and we're meant to believe they're the same ship.
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Yeah but it had been 10 years since we'd last seen her, in another show. Hence my comment.

I don't think we were ever meant to compare the two models from TOS and TMP closely and realise they couldn't possibly be the same ship. But on the same show, that'd be a little too much.
 
Belz... said:
Yeah but it had been 10 years since we'd last seen her, in another show. Hence my comment.

I don't think we were ever meant to compare the two models from TOS and TMP closely and realize they couldn't possibly be the same ship. But on the same show, that'd be a little too much.
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That certainly was implied heavily in the actual dialog of the movie.
Decker even says "it's almost an entirely new ship."
It would seem that we were meant to assume that the original Enterprise was stripped down to her bare bones and basically rebuilt from her inner framing out.

Folks can debate all they want about whether 18 months is enough time to finish that or not, but the movie was pretty specific about what happened.

And it's possible that the designs and process' to do all that was all worked out before Enterprise even got back to the drydock.
Which would cut a major part of the development time off the process.

Plus I'm pretty sure that major starship construction in the 23rd century would probably involve a lot of standardized parts fabrication and replication.

I'd even surmise that the ships crew were probably pulling nonessential systems out, on the way back to the drydock to help speed up the process.
 
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DaveyNY said:
That certainly was implied heavily in the actual dialog of the movie.
Decker even says "it's almost an entirely new ship."
It would seem that we were meant to assume that the original Enterprise was stripped down to her bare bones and basically rebuilt from her inner framing out.

Folks can debate all they want about whether 18 months is enough time to finish that or not, but the movie was pretty specific about what happened.
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Only if you interpret the dialogue literally. After all, given the proportions, stripping the ship to its bare bones wouldn't be enough. You'd have to disassemble it completely, and then it's not the same ship anymore.

Of course, that's not important. Being bothered about TMP's new design is the visual equivalent of being overly literal. My only point here is that within the same show -- even perhaps in the same episode -- it'd be hard for me to swallow.
 
I'm pretty sure that in the real world they don't pull a ship apart without having already worked out out how they are going to refit it. Sure there will be a few hiccups on the way but somewhere there will be a Gantt Chart outlining exactly what should be happening and when. Dockyard time will be booked in advance. With a refit as thorough as the TMP one perhaps years in advance, The Idea that Scotty decided to refit the sip (as suggested by the Mr Scotts Guide book) is frankly ridiculous.

We don't know if the Enterprise was even the first ship to go through the Refit process. Sure the novelisation suggests this (I think, long time since I read it) and the fact they needed Spock's help to get the ship going implies it. But it isn't written in stone that I can remember.
 
Great episode except for two things that bothered me. One had already been established which was La'an's tragic backstory, and the other is that we suddenly had a scene of going into a character's mind to work through a trauma. I feel like I've complained too much about this trope lately but it just keeps popping up!

I'm guessing they're saving an actual Gorn appearance for later now that they've built them up as a threat. I don't care if it violates canon, I'd be happy if SNW breaks away from the Prime-timeline.

Kevman7987 said:
If only La'an knew peace with the Gorn can be achieved as long as you shoot one with a cannon and show it mercy.
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Given what we saw in this episode, the Gorn captain was probably killed for his weakness after returning to his ship.
 
DaveyNY said:
Isn't that what "...almost an entirely new ship." means?
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Again, yes if you take it literally.

But if the Federation wanted to build a new ship, it'd have been cheaper to... you know, build a new ship.

Again, that's why we're not meant to take the differing proportions at face value. They are supposed to fit, even though they don't. The TMP model's proportions and shapes were based on the Phase 2 design, which was supposed to be a direct continuation of the TOS model, with new nacelles and pylons, even though, again, the proportions didn't match.
 
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