Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x02 - "Children of The Comet"

[Jedi Marso]

And the inhabitants of the planet who received the life-giving water to transform their planet. That's presuming not too many of them drowned in the process, of course.

Hey, if you want to make an omelet...

Plus, will teach those aliens another important lesson. The first one is: never get involved in a land war in asia. The second is: don't build in the low-lying areas susceptible to flash floods when a comet is booming through...

 

[Belz...]

Hey, if you want to make an omelet...

Plus, will teach those aliens another important lesson. The first one is: never get involved in a land war in asia. The second is: don't build in the low-lying areas susceptible to flash floods when a comet is booming through...

Never go against a Sicilian when death is one the line.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is there any evidence that the Shepherds are time travelers beyond the base on the comet knowing the size of the chunk of ice it was going to drop?

They could have gone back in time to protect the comet.

Haley's comet takes 350,000 years to travel one light year.

But if this comet is just teraforming this one planet over and over again, every several decades, I'm really thinking that the shepherds are either the future versions of the life down there or the future version of a second species to evolve on that planet, that needs this teraforming to exterminate the current dominant life form.

 

[Belz...]

Is there any evidence that the Shepherds are time travelers beyond the base on the comet knowing the size of the chunk of ice it was going to drop?

None whatsoever.

Haley's comet takes 350,000 years to travel one light year.

I'll bet some latinum that it's got a warp drive.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Fakeprise

 

[Trekker4747]

Is there any evidence that the Shepherds are time travelers beyond the base on the comet knowing the size of the chunk of ice it was going to drop?

No. Turn The Guy down.

 

[Ensign Mas]

‘Garbage’….?
Sorry, I just don’t believe this is your honest opinion.

Yes, that is my honest opinion.

 

[GNDN18]

I really want him to say "engage" at some point.

But at least, Pike's "hit it", derived from his "punch it" in the reboot, was the first of the NewTrek.

There was an “engage” button on the helm. No, really. It’s shown in one of the DSC episodes.

 

[Tuskin38]

When Burnham was promoted to captain she said something like "I guess I need a catchphrase now." Something like that. Seriously.

Pretty sure that was Saru who said that.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Pretty sure that was Saru who said that.

Yeah and her stupid catch phrase is "Lets fly." LOL. The writing team must have really wracked their brains for that one.

 

[Belz...]

There was an “engage” button on the helm. No, really. It’s shown in one of the DSC episodes.

At least that one sounds like an official or technical term.

Unless you want to think there's a "hit it" button on the Enterprise.

Yeah and her stupid catch phrase is "Lets fly." LOL. The writing team must have really wracked their brains for that one.

I agree that they don't all need their own catchphrases, but "let's fly" sounds rather nice.

 

[fireproof78]

Unless you want to think there's a "hit it" button on the Enterprise.

Well, I do now.

 

[GNDN18]

At least that one sounds like an official or technical term.

Unless you want to think there's a "hit it" button on the Enterprise.

One can only hope!

 

[Ensign Mas]

Nothing you posted here 'defys' canon.

"Defies". Uh, yes it does. It was established in "Amok Time" that Spock and T'Pring hadn't seen each other since they were betrothed as children and Spock made it clear that the marriage had been arranged, thus no need to "propose marriage". Intimacy among Vulcans was also shown to be such a taboo that Spock could hardly talk about it with Kirk and it wasn't talked about among the Vulcans, but in "Strange New World", we just toss that pon farr-crap wayside and have Vulcans mate whenever, show affection in the open and even to outsiders!

On dr. Boyce, I was corrected that the show does take place ten years before "The Cage" (EDIT: But that can't be the case?). As far as Chapel is concerned, "Strange New Worlds" is apparently set in 2258 and Chapel joined Starfleet after Korby disappeared in 2261 (and was assigned the Enterprise in 2266).

There are also a lot of other minor things. Just look at Pike's quarters (and with that strange fireplace). In "Relics", Scotty burst out that "In my day, not even an Admiral would get quarters this large." and neither in "The Cage" or in TOS did Pike or Kirk have such expansive quarters. Even worse is the moronic genome altering shot given to the away team in the first episode. In TOS, prosthetics etc. were used. And the transporter being used to "dress" the away team doesn't make much sense either as the away team had to dress in the old-fashioned way before beaming down in TOS. Also, the "Voyager" episode "Flashback" established that replicators didn't exist in the TOS era, but just as in "Discovery", it was ignored here.

We know the Enterprise NX-01 encountered the Gorn, but the first official encounter was in 2267 ("Arena").

Then I think Kurtzman and Goldsman could very well read the TOS (and TNG) writer's bibles and look at small things such as "the viewscreen is not a window".

 

[Ensign Mas]

Once you see the phrase "real Trek" used that should be a signal to not take it seriously, at all.

That is my opinion and it's just as valid as yours.

 

[fireproof78]

Defies". Uh, yes it does. It was established in "Amok Time" that Spock and T'Pring hadn't seen each other since they were betrothed as children and Spock made it clear that the marriage had been arranged, thus no need to "propose marriage".

Um, no.

Intimacy among Vulcans was also shown to be such a taboo that Spock could hardly talk about it with Kirk and it wasn't talked about among the Vulcans, but in "Strange New World", we just toss that pon farr-crap wayside and have Vulcans mate whenever, show affection in the open and even to outsiders!

Intimacy isn't discussed? Where is that established?

Pon Farr isn't discussed, even though Spock does in one episode with a alien woman.

 

[Belz...]

"Defies". Uh, yes it does. It was established in "Amok Time" that Spock and T'Pring hadn't seen each other since they were betrothed as children

Could you cite that, please?

Intimacy among Vulcans was also shown to be such a taboo that Spock could hardly talk about it with Kirk and it wasn't talked about among the Vulcans

That doesn't follow.

On dr. Boyce, I was corrected that the show does take place ten years before "The Cage".

Five years AFTER.

As far as Chapel is concerned, "Strange New Worlds" is apparently set in 2258 and Chapel joined Starfleet after Korby disappeared in 2261 (and was assigned the Enterprise in 2266).

Which does not imply that she was never there before. SNW mentions that she's on loan from another project. TOS, TNG and other series within Trek contradict themselves and each other all the time.

There are also a lot of other minor things. Just look at Pike's quarters (and with that strange fireplace). In "Relics", Scotty burst out that "In my day, not even an Admiral would get quarters this large." and neither in "The Cage" or in TOS did Pike or Kirk have such expansive quarters.

I repeat what I told you before: you are focusing way too much on unimportant details. Star Trek is not a real universe and things will change, just as they do with every long-running franchise.

We know the Enterprise NX-01 encountered the Gorn, but the first official encounter was in 2267 ("Arena").

Again, SNW does not contradict this. Watch the episode closely.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"Defies". Uh, yes it does. It was established in "Amok Time" that Spock and T'Pring hadn't seen each other since they were betrothed as children

No, it doesn't. It says only that there was a mind melding ceremony that took place when they were seven. It never says that they'd never seen each other since.

Spock made it clear that the marriage had been arranged, thus no need to "propose marriage".

You're substituting your own conclusions for canon. We discover later in "Amok Time" that a challenge can be made to interrupt the marriage. Why, then, is it so unreasonable to suppose that there are other rituals associated with the marriage, including a formal proposal?

Intimacy among Vulcans was also shown to be such a taboo that Spock could hardly talk about it with Kirk and it wasn't talked about among the Vulcans, but in "Strange New World", we just toss that pon farr-crap wayside and have Vulcans mate whenever, show affection in the open and even to outsiders!

Ah, where to begin here? For one thing, you're equating intimacy with sex, which is a fallacy. For another thing, you're overlooking the fact that the waiter asked the couple not to do whatever they were doing at the table. The rest has been thoroughly hashed out either upthread or in other threads such as the one for the episode and shown to be non-issues, so I don't have to bother repeating it.

 

[Belz...]

If Mas wants a flawless Canon, I suggest that he only ever watch The Cage. Everything after that contradicts more and more of it (e.g. "timewarp").

 

[Tuskin38]

On dr. Boyce, I was corrected that the show does take place ten years before "The Cage"

It takes place 5 years after 'The Cage'. Enough time for Boyce to have retired or transferred off the ship. That isn't a contradiction.

It was established in "Amok Time" that Spock and T'Pring hadn't seen each other since they were betrothed as children

Amok Time says no such thing. That isn't a contradiction.

"Strange New Worlds" is apparently set in 2258 and Chapel joined Starfleet after Korby disappeared in 2261 (and was assigned the Enterprise in 2266).

Episode 1 states that she was on civilian exchange, she isn't in Starfleet. That isn't a contradiction.
(why she has a uniform with rank, who knows, maybe it's provisional)

we just toss that pon farr-crap wayside and have Vulcans mate whenever,

None of the shows ever stated they never have sex outside of Pon Farr. That isn't a contradiction.

We know the Enterprise NX-01 encountered the Gorn, but the first official encounter was in 2267 ("Arena").

The Mirror NX-01 encountered the Gorn not the Prime NX-01.

La'an's encounter with the Gorn wasn't the first official encounter. Her Bio even says it's unconfirmed.