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Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

Rate the Episode

  • 1 - Excellent

    Votes: 147 45.9%
  • 2

    Votes: 81 25.3%
  • 3

    Votes: 60 18.8%
  • 4

    Votes: 12 3.8%
  • 5

    Votes: 5 1.6%
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    Votes: 4 1.3%
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    Votes: 5 1.6%
  • 8

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 10 - Terrible

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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So pretty much like the situation at the end of TOS S1 - "The Galileo Seven"...5 crewmen dead, but they're all smiles and laughing after Spock refuses to admit he had an emotional outburst...:whistle:;)
When they beam back five people from the Galileo Kirk doesn't even ask which two crewmen died! The First Officer, Chief Engineer, and CMO were all on board.. you think he'd be worried one of them ain't coming back. :hugegrin:
 
if i have two gripes with this episode It's these 1) I feel like if I was going to show this to someone who has never seen a single episode of Star Trek and this was their first foray into the Star Trek Lore, they would have some questions like "who is spock's sister, why is Discovery classified, why can Pike see into the future, Etc. Etc." the pilot honestly felt more like a continuation of Discovery Season 2 and not it's own thing. 2) The Stardates: we get two different stardates the normal 1739.12 and the Kelvin stardate: 2259.42. I wish they would stick to one style and be done.

Other than that I love this episode. It's probably my favorite pilot/series premiere out of the 11 so far.
 
When they beam back five people from the Galileo Kirk doesn't even ask which two crewmen died! The First Officer, Chief Engineer, and CMO were all on board.. you think he'd be worried one of them ain't coming back. :hugegrin:

"Gaetano died? That sucks.

Which one was he, again?"

Kirk probably just thought of them as “Sam’s friends” for a while, and was trying to keep a distance to seem cool. Don’t want to be seen as a kid brother that’s coming on too strong.
 
When they beam back five people from the Galileo Kirk doesn't even ask which two crewmen died! The First Officer, Chief Engineer, and CMO were all on board.. you think he'd be worried one of them ain't coming back. :hugegrin:
And yeah my number includes the people who died on the Landing parties beamed down to search for the Galileo.
 
How did Nurse Chapel have genetic code from the aliens to make Pike and crew look like them? (I could buy that it was just visual based on studying their appearance from the planet's communications or something, but the thought did come up and it wasn't mentioned in the episode)

It came up very briefly. Chapel mentioned needing real DNA for Spock's booster, hence why they tested the two aliens in sickbay. The earlier modifications are thus indeed based simulating the look with the with human (or Vulcan) genes.
 
if i have two gripes with this episode It's these 1) I feel like if I was going to show this to someone who has never seen a single episode of Star Trek and this was their first foray into the Star Trek Lore, they would have some questions like "who is spock's sister, why is Discovery classified, why can Pike see into the future, Etc. Etc." the pilot honestly felt more like a continuation of Discovery Season 2 and not it's own thing.
Normally I would agree with you that the show shouldn't reference things an average viewer wouldn't be aware of without showing them in flashback or providing some extra explanation, but in the age of ubiquitous Google at our fingertips 24/7, they figure someone new to the franchise can just look up something they're lost on, while long term fans coming over from the other series get a little reference to reestablish the connection. Ultimately it had no bearing to the main plot, so you're not missing out on anything by not knowing it right away.
2) The Stardates: we get two different stardates the normal 1739.12 and the Kelvin stardate: 2259.42. I wish they would stick to one style and be done.
Oh, I loved that they did that. The Kelvinverse style is so much more understandable and relatable and you get an exact idea of how far into the year they are without needing a stardate calculator.

I just figure that the Kelvinverse stardate is the fixed Earth Federation capital stardate (sort of like GMT) Pike has been living on while on shore leave while the regular stardate is the interstellar standard agreed upon by all Federation and most other major governments.
 
I was a little annoyed about the mention of Discovery heading to the future, because I was watching it with my brother, who hadn't seen that yet, and I'd pretty much promised him it wasn't going to have any Discovery spoilers!
 
I was a little annoyed about the mention of Discovery heading to the future, because I was watching it with my brother, who hadn't seen that yet, and I'd pretty much promised him it wasn't going to have any Discovery spoilers!

‪‪I can understand that feeling. ‪‪My mom has expressed an interest in watching some of the new stuff, and ‪‪I was going to suggest she dive into SNW first, but after the first episode I’m going to suggest she watch the first 2 seasons of DSC first.
 
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KLAATU: Who am I kidding? You losers will never make it into deep space. Twitter. Instagram. Meta. Reality shows. Microplastics. High energy costs. The list goes on... Gort, prepare for departure. Don't try to follow us, Earthlings. Oh. Wait. You can't! Not a feasible enterprise.... Enterprise. Get it? Oh no. You don't.

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I don't see any reason why it should be.


Pleasure is not illogical. :)

Pleasure is irrelevant, is what a Vulcan would almost certainly say to that, especially physical pleasure.

I think This Side of Paradise shows that Spock, when he's in his right mind, was not into casual romance stuff, much less casual sex. It took mind controlling spores to make him react to anything similar to that. I don't believe for a second that Prime Universe Spock was going to be having casual sex, certainly not with T'Pring pre-Amok Time. Maybe if he had a long term relationship with someone or another Amok Time incident I'd believe it, but I don't believe that Vulcan's in general are nearly as

Unless they try to retcon T'Pring as some long lost love interst, instead of just a woman he was promised to as a kid and then never really interacted with after that, it just doesn't make sense for him. That seems to be the retcon they're going with, but I don't accept it. Its only a small subplot, I loved the episode besides that, but it is 100% against what the character would do, and definitely something that only happens by ignoring/retconning Spock's character.

The lore has never said they don't. DC Fontana has said in the past that they do.

Besides T'Pring was never very logical, re-watch Amok Time.

DC Fontana was certainly not an authority on Spock, I don't care if she wrote the (extremely overrated) Spock backstory episode of TAS. Spock in the Prime Universe was never into that kind of stuff, based on how he reacted to romantic scenarios. He didn't even have interest in T'Pring, who at the time he had obviously not seen since they were much younger, outside of the Amok time situation.

As for T'Pring, in Amok Time she was acting in a way she thought was logical. Logic doesn't have to be kind or lead to only good things. To her, what was important was that she had no interest in Spock, she wanted to be with Stonn. But Vulcan, for all its talk of logic, is a fairly illogical culture, with a bunch of mysticism and frankly messed up traditions that don't fit a supposedly enlightened society (which Enterprise of all shows even called out). So she couldn't just say no to being with Spock, at least not by the standards of her culture (although I bet Federation law protects citizens from things like arranged marriages if the person really doesn't want to be involved). To save face, she used an archaic Vulcan tradition to try to get what she wanted. It was cruel, and potentially murderous, but it was 100% logical from her perspective. Like she says in the episode, If Kirk killed Spock he wouldn't want T'Pring, and Kirk obviously didn't want her.

Everything she did made sense, if you understand that she wanted to get her own way without going against traditions then she was being perfectly logical. She was also a horrible person, she could have just chosen Stonn at any point and broken up with Spock, but presumably that was looked down on by Vulcan society and she cared more about that then she did people's lives, which makes her a bad person but not illogical.
 
When they beam back five people from the Galileo Kirk doesn't even ask which two crewmen died! The First Officer, Chief Engineer, and CMO were all on board.. you think he'd be worried one of them ain't coming back.

My impression upon watching that scene, many times, has always been that Kirk's stiff, grim reaction communicates that he cares very much that he's lost two people and alsoknows that he loses some necessary authority in the eyes of the people around him if he shows partiality at that moment about who.
 
Normally I would agree with you that the show shouldn't reference things an average viewer wouldn't be aware of without showing them in flashback or providing some extra explanation, but in the age of ubiquitous Google at our fingertips 24/7, they figure someone new to the franchise can just look up something they're lost on, while long term fans coming over from the other series get a little reference to reestablish the connection. Ultimately it had no bearing to the main plot, so you're not missing out on anything by not knowing it right away.

Oh, I loved that they did that. The Kelvinverse style is so much more understandable and relatable and you get an exact idea of how far into the year they are without needing a stardate calculator.

I just figure that the Kelvinverse stardate is the fixed Earth Federation capital stardate (sort of like GMT) Pike has been living on while on shore leave while the regular stardate is the interstellar standard agreed upon by all Federation and most other major governments.

They appeared to be pretty careful and thoughtful about the few things they chose to explain. Their default seems to be - pretty smartly, I think - that if there's much important that you don't know about Star Trek after fifty years, the show's probably not gonna be for you, anyway.

They explain...General Order One. Very briefly. Apparently the writers thought the story point was important enough to clarify what the issue is.

I was surprised that they decided to lean as heavily as they did on events occurring in another TV series for a major plot point, but in doing so they had to decide just how much time they'd devote to it. And they chose to minimize it.

They did seem willing, OTOH, to violate their strict continuity with that series right out of the gate, deciding that this story best opened on Pike's return to command after the events of the Control battle and therefore jettisoning the last few minutes of "Such Sweet Sorrow."
 
if i have two gripes with this episode It's these 1) I feel like if I was going to show this to someone who has never seen a single episode of Star Trek and this was their first foray into the Star Trek Lore, they would have some questions like "who is spock's sister, why is Discovery classified, why can Pike see into the future, Etc. Etc." the pilot honestly felt more like a continuation of Discovery Season 2 and not it's own thing. 2) The Stardates: we get two different stardates the normal 1739.12 and the Kelvin stardate: 2259.42. I wish they would stick to one style and be done.

Other than that I love this episode. It's probably my favorite pilot/series premiere out of the 11 so far.

Well, Spock and Pike did mention the time crystals in "Strange New Worlds" as the means that he was able to see his fate, which alleviates that, although you do have a point about some of the other issues, and the star-date thing might be a bit confusing. That being said, those issues hardly detract from the good. I do agree though that this is the best Trek series premiere ever to come out, beyond the shadow of a doubt.
 
Didn't Spock play music on TOS? Get into witty banter? I did not get the sense that Spock did not do things for pleasure. It's way more illogical to pretend to disinterest to appeal to a general sense of propriety in a stodgy society than to admit to having desires and interests, and fulfilling them from time to time to support your mental well-being and ability to function all-around.
 
So was Kirk at the end of TWOK. It's the nature of storytelling--the hero comes away with new insight before plunging into the darkness again.

Kirk wasn't all smiles at the end of TWOK like Pike was before this show. If you read Kirk's expression that way, you read it wrong. He was clearly in pain but trying to get over it and putting on a brave face.
 
if i have two gripes with this episode It's these 1) I feel like if I was going to show this to someone who has never seen a single episode of Star Trek and this was their first foray into the Star Trek Lore, they would have some questions like "who is spock's sister, why is Discovery classified, why can Pike see into the future, Etc. Etc." the pilot honestly felt more like a continuation of Discovery Season 2 and not it's own thing. 2) The Stardates: we get two different stardates the normal 1739.12 and the Kelvin stardate: 2259.42. I wish they would stick to one style and be done.

Other than that I love this episode. It's probably my favorite pilot/series premiere out of the 11 so far.

Simple. You show them this. Then, when they start asking those questions, you just tell them to watch TOS... your cue (and your job) to create a new Trekkie. ;)
 
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