Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"

[Tuskin38]

Except that it's true and you know it.

Don't force your opinion on me.

 

[Danlav05]

Watched the finale and, you know what? this season could have been done in half the time but I was satisfied. The arcs ended well, there were some nice surprises and I am looking forward to season 3

 

[jackoverfull]

probably gave previous drone a choice on whether to remain in the new Collective, or leave

Hardly a choice: every liberated borg we’ve seen longs for returning to the collective, at least initially.

Did anyone check whether when Picard first visited Guinan's bar, the Rios picture was there?

If it were someone would have noticed by the time Teresa appeared a few episodes later.

Its not really complicated.

What we have are unanswered questions about the UFP timeline Borg.

VOY obliterated the entire Borg TW network along with Unimatrix 1 and the Queen by hand of future Admiral Janeway in 'Endgame' when she introduced a neurolithic pathogen into the Queen and unimatrix 1.

Unimatrix 1 was almost like a central unicomplex (the nerve center) of the Collective we knew, at which Borg Queens were made.

What we don't know is if whether the Collective we know was able to recover from that loss (aside from the damaged Artifact in Picard S1, we haven't heard anything of the Borg in decades).

Its one thing to destroy a Borg Queen at a remote location who was on a lone Borg ship... but its something else to eradicate the Queen alongside the main unicomplex that made her and where she is stationed (usually).

As such, I would think the Borg we know might not have fully recovered from that. Most drones and ships were likely disconnected from the Hive mind at that time (which without a queen to bring order to it... chaos ensued).

Enter Jurati/Borg Queen, and she may have stepped in after 'Endgame' events to offer these disconnected drones a new way of life in a new/kinder Collective or a chance to be individuals if they didn't want to be part of the collective anymore - and I would imagine that many people who were forcibly assimilated wouldn't want that, but a chance to return home... however some others who might not have hada home to begin with or didn't have a sense of purpose in life could have opted to remain in this new collective.

And if the Borg we know remain... why hadn't we heard from them and what kind of a clash could ensue if the DQ Borg from the Prime Timeline encounter these new Borg?

Is it possible the original UFP timeline Borg recuperated after Endgame and tried to rebuild the TW network... and somehow managed to construct a new type of TW conduit which at its formation would have also obliterated majority of the sector in the AQ?

Interesting that it was very close to Earth. It wouldn't surprise me if this conduit appeared at the same position the exit TW aperture was from which VOY emerged in 'Endgame'.

This could be the old Borg preparing to come to the AQ en mass.

If memory serves the Artifact was around and assimilating people way after endgame, so it’s safe to say that the old borg still exist in sone form. They might have been changed or be quite weakened, though.

 

[UssGlenn]

Just still cannot believe how many comments read how "beautifully tragic and emotional" Picard's mother's death was... And I cannot get over the melodramatic stupidity behind it.

Let's see: In Star Trek, a 24th century human being could not be cured, but was dragged down to a Victorian dungeon with a straitjacket, in the 24th century.

Then, in a white dress she kills herself WITH A ROPE! How on Earth did she get thet rope In the 24th century? There is just no technology for a less painful way? Ok, the excuse could be: the replicator was programmed, so that she could not make a phaser or poison. But she was allowed to create a ROPE? This makes no sense.

Also, if nobody could help her and she suffered so much, they just locked her in a room? Is that a solution? She just has to live on and suffer? If they could not help her by anything, isn't it morally wrong to force her to live is way, locked up?

This would be the a real ST moral question, this would be the topic of a real Star Trek. These are not ST people or a future. This is just 21th century humans with technology. And a progressive show that portrays mental illness by white dresses and straitjackets in the 24th century...

And they call this TRAGIC AND EMOTIONAL?????????

You've missed some dialogue and consequently have a mistaken idea of what happened.

Picard's mom was under treatment and it was working, but like many people in her situation she ceased taking her medication. Maurice may have not been aware.

After the basement incident, Maurice locked her in a room overnight for everyone's safety, planning to contact the doctor in the morning. That night, after Maurice was asleep, Jean-Luc let her out, and then after Jean-Luc was asleep, Yvette went to the solarium and hung herself.

Also I have no idea why you think a working vineyard wouldn't have rope lying around, 24th century or not.

 

[jackoverfull]

You've missed some dialogue and consequently have a mistaken idea of what happened.

he didn’t: he just ignores anything that would go against his “nitpicks”.

 

[cooleddie74]

Only champions of truth are so bold.

 

[Oddish]

Just watched it, and... delightful. Rios finds his place, a surprise return from Agnes, Picard and Q find a peace between them, one of my favorite characters' death is thankfully exaggerated, and Picard gets the chance to undo a personal mistake.

Not quite so sure about Project Khan or the "Travelers", but I appreciate the fanservice.

Picard seems to go to some dark places, but both seasons have tried to leave us in a patch of light. I appreciate that.

EDIT: Next up... it's "Strange New Worlds" time.

 

[hxclespaulplayer]

I don't understand how Kore would survive running away from home, she's going to need ID eventually, and money sooner than that. Maybe if she has superior genetic abilities, she could work at a circus?

 

[Mudd]

I don't understand how Kore would survive running away from home, she's going to need ID eventually, and money sooner than that. Maybe if she has superior genetic abilities, she could work at a circus?

She was gonna team up with Rios, and the first thing the two of 'em were gonna do was figure out how to get social security cards and birth certificates.

 

[hxclespaulplayer]

She was gonna team up with Rios, and the first thing the two of 'em were gonna do was figure out how to get social security cards and birth certificates.

Yes, just how does Rios stay in the past without being rounded up by ICE? I wish they at least had a line where they said he replicated all the ID he'd ever need. Sure, he could hack into a database and make himself a citizen, but that doesn't cover having physical documentation in the first place. Maybe he just ran out the window every time ICE came, like Homer Simpson when he had second thoughts about giving his kidney to Grandpa.

 

[hxclespaulplayer]

Anyone remember that Outer Limits episode where a Traveler-like organization would recruit people that were about to needlessly die? Kore and Wesley reminded me of that.

 

[Mudd]

Yes, just how does Rios stay in the past without being rounded up by ICE? I wish they at least had a line where they said he replicated all the ID he'd ever need. Sure, he could hack into a database and make himself a citizen, but that doesn't cover having physical documentation in the first place. Maybe he just ran out the window every time ICE came, like Homer Simpson when he had second thoughts about giving his kidney to Grandpa.

A vast number of folks living in this country have to improvise their way around this crap every day.

 

[cooleddie74]

He has late 24th century/early 25th century knowledge and skills. He'll find a way around it. If Mestral the Vulcan remained on Earth for decades at the height of the Cold War and possibly into the 21st century then a normal-looking human male who likes cigars should be fine.

 

[Sci]

I don't understand how Kore would survive running away from home, she's going to need ID eventually, and money sooner than that.

She would survive the same way real people without IDs survive. Millions of undocumented immigrants and people brought to the U.S. as children are in that same situation. There are networks out there that provide people with fake IDs, Social Security numbers, etc. Sometimes sympathetic people who work in license bureaus are able to use legit equipment to make ID cards illegally, etc. And of course there are businesses out there that hire under the table and pay in cash, particularly restaurants and day laborers that make heavy use of immigrant labor. So it's a challenge but it's certainly not impossible. If they had ever linked up their storylines, I'm sure Teresa would have helped Kore find the resources she needed.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Why wouldn't Kore have IDs, up to and including a social security number? Her father surely provided her with those things.

I mean, he did ultimately want to enable her to move around in the daytime, so it's not like he planned to have her locked up inside for her whole life. He'd want her to survive in the real world as much as any father would.

 

[Oddish]

A vast number of folks living in this country have to improvise their way around this crap every day.

Shows just how amazing this country is that they choose that, just so they can live here.

I like Rios's chances. He strikes me as being very resourceful.

 

[cooleddie74]

He'll be fine. Guinan said so. Well, at least until his last day.

 

[Sci]

Why wouldn't Kore have IDs, up to and including a social security number? Her father surely provided her with those things.

I mean, he did ultimately want to enable her to move around in the daytime, so it's not like he planned to have her locked up inside for her whole life. He'd want her to survive in the real world as much as any father would.

Did he, though? Did he actually plan to keep Kore alive once he knew how to mix up her genes correctly to survive? Or, if he did, is it not possible that he had intended only to register her existence once she could leave his mansion? Either way I think it's entirely possible that Kore's existence was a complete secret from the rest of the world and that she had no birth certificate, Social Security number, school records, etc.

Shows just how amazing this country is that they choose that, just so they can live here.

I mean, that's a very self-congratulatory way of thinking about the same immigration system that brutalizes millions of people every day, as dramatized by this very show. A lot of times it's not so much a question of how "amazing" this country is as it is a question of not having a lot of other choices to survive.

I like Rios's chances. He strikes me as being very resourceful.

I agree, but I absolutely cannot understand why Rios would want to stay with Teresa instead of wanting to bring Teresa and Ricardo to the 25th Century. He knows that the Second U.S. Civil War and World War III are right around the corner.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Did he, though? Did he actually plan to keep Kore alive once he knew how to mix up her genes correctly to survive?

The circumstances of Kore's creation notwithstanding, I never got the impression that Soong wanted to keep her a secret, or that he planned to dispose of her once he got the 'formula' right. We all saw how desperate he was and how it made him turn to Q for help. I think Adam genuinely cared for Kore and wanted her to survive.

Oh, and on a vaguely related matter, I still think 'Project Khan' was a reference to the Eugenics Wars that have already happened, not a retcon to having them happen somewhere down the line. (The file being dated 1996 was the kicker for me.)

 

[gweeps]

I absolutely cannot understand why Rios would want to stay with Teresa instead of wanting to bring Teresa and Ricardo to the 25th Century. He knows that the Second U.S. Civil War and World War III are right around the corner.

It's all about budget, which I bet ballooned once the rest of the TNG cast was set to return. Also, what do Teresa and her boy do in the 25th century? Do they with Rios take over the running of Picard's chateau seeing as Laris is heading off on adventures, whatever that's supposed to mean?

A lot of handwaving to get everybody out of the way for TNG Season 8.