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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"

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I want to know the thought process behind this season. So the basic idea is that Q is dying and before he goes he wants to make sure Picard is happy and not alone. How did they go from that simple premise to this convoluted mess that tries to be the grand unifier of all canon?
Uniting all canon? OK, I haven't paid much attention but...what?

All it was was an exploration of Picard's past and his trauma, which in turn impacted all those around him. Given Q's tendency for the dramatic is anyone really surprise that Q, the same being who decided a recreation of Robin Hood was appropriate for the crew to teach Picard a lesson, is going to care about the impact on a timeline if it teaches Picard something?

I don't like Q (at all) but this season's outline strikes me as perfectly in line with the ridiculousness of Q.
The Project Khan file
Doesn't Khan mean king or something like that?
 
I think that Talin’s death was unnecessary qnd quite avoidable. But yet again, she has been a totally superfluous character anyway.
Gary Seven was supposed to be genetically enhanced to withstand even a Vulcan pinch but apparently Tallinn can't even handle some 21st century poisons. Wesley's slacking on the job. Also what qualifies Kore to be a supervisor or whatever? She's lived as a hermit all her life. And if it's her genetic abilities, well--wouldn't that just prove that evil Soong's genetic engineering is in fact correct?
 
Gary Seven was supposed to be genetically enhanced to withstand even a Vulcan pinch but apparently Tallinn can't even handle some 21st century poisons. Wesley's slacking on the job. Also what qualifies Kore to be a supervisor or whatever? She's lived as a hermit all her life. And if it's her genetic abilities, well--wouldn't that just prove that evil Soong's genetic engineering is in fact correct?
Soong's genetic engineering is correct.

It's the lengths he goes to perfect society that cause problems.

Genetic engineering in Trek was legal until DS9 made it not legal. And Torres was editing her kid too.

Star Trek has a complicated history with genetic engineering is really the point.
 
"See you out there." Same thing he said at the end of TNG's series finale.

I got chills when Picard hugs him.

I think Q knew his meddling in the timeline wouldn't cause any irreparable damage.

I'm not so sure about that...Q having the power to resurrect Elnor as a "gift" sounded like chance. But that seems to fit with Q's character. He doesn't mind playing fast and loose with the lives of those he sees as bit players when he's teaching Picard a lesson.
 
So, in a way, Data owes his very existence to Khan and the genetic supermen of 1990s Earth. They led to 37 million deaths but over the next four centuries we get Data and the other wonders of Soong android tech. An example of pain and suffering eventually resulting in progress and making the universe better, much as Arik Soong told Archer in 2154 when comparing the first nuclear-powered spacecraft to explore our solar system to atomic and nuclear weaponry.
 
And, no, Q didn't work (down to counseling sessions with Renee and "hiring" Soong!) to produce the Confederation as a means of saving the sector, etc. That's nonsense. He was actively trying to prevent the entire Federation/Prime timeline.
He had to give our heroes something to fight for, no? Q never made things easy.
 
Uniting all canon? OK, I haven't paid much attention but...what?
Wesley being Gary 7's boss and one of his agents also being responsible for the safety of a Picard who is being threatened by an Ancestor of Data who is directly connected to Khan, Guinan is also there during all of this. And in case you say "That's nowhere near all of canon!" I was clearly being hyperbolic.

The point is that I am sick of excess self-referential writing. It feels like a desperate way to try and win fans over.
 
I'm not so sure about that...Q having the power to resurrect Elnor as a "gift" sounded like chance. But that seems to fit with Q's character. He doesn't mind playing fast and loose with the lives of those he sees as bit players when he's teaching Picard a lesson.
If you noticed, when Picard mentioned Tallinn and Elnor's deaths, Q only talked about Tallinn dying in every version of these timeline events. I think we are to assume he knew at least someone would stay behind.
 
Sounds like TNG to me. Even in the original TNG series run:

Riker - Lost his mother at a very young age - has major daddy issues. So traumatized he PASSES on an offer of his own Command (The U.S.S. Drake) to serve as 1st Officer on te 1701-Devery time he's offered a command on the initial 7 year 'tour of duty', he turns it down. (3 times total).

Data - Android created by (as we know) an evil family line of scientists. Has a evil brother whom he tried to understand and change; but can't - and said brother inflicts all sorts of chaos on him and his friends.

Lt. Yar - Escapee from a colony where she was routinely raped by roving 'rape gangs'. After she escaped she joined Starfleet and became a PISS POOR security officer, always wanting to attack first - and ultimately dies in an act of sheer stupidity that showcased her incompetence.

Lt. Worf - Survivor of a Romulan attack; but rescued and raised by a Federation officer. Thinks he understands Klingon culture and tries to be the model honorable Klingon - yet because he never really lived in actual Klingon society, so he's unaware of how 'normal' Klingons act. When he finally DOES get a clearer understanding of Klingon culture; he more often takes the 'Human' way, UNLESS he's really pissed off.

Dr. Crusher - Serving under the man who brought her husbands body home and was on the mission where he died. Somehow she has a 'torch' for Picard. grew up on a colony that experienced a biological disaster where most of the colony died <-- And that's where she found an interest in medicine and started learning some things from her Grandmother, who also survived.

Wesley Cusher - (See: Dr. Crusher above ;))

Counselor Troi: Did start out with much trauma per se (father died), just a domineering mother; but we do find that the mother had a pervious child (Deanna's sister) whom died in an accident the mother felt responsible for, and as a result, Deanna didn't know about that child until an incident involving her mother's health.

Lt. Cmdr. LaForge - Blind from birth; and wears device to compensate which he admits causes him terrible and constant pain when he uses it.
^^^
Yep all WELL ADJUSTED characters here...oh, wait... :)

I think though that it is a difference of both degree and emphasis in terms of character and story. In TNG these sort of character moments helped fill in some details but they hardly seemed to be the defining part of any of those characters. What's more, in many cases (though not exclusively of course), these were B-elements folded into the story among other character motivators/traits over the course of the series - not the focus of the story itself. Like anything else it's subjective; to my perception the tone and emphasis is different - for others maybe not so much. C'est la vie.
 
Wesley being Gary 7's boss and one of his agents also being responsible for the safety of a Picard who is being threatened by an Ancestor of Data who is directly connected to Khan, Guinan is also there during all of this. And in case you say "That's nowhere near all of canon!" I was clearly being hyperbolic.

The point is that I am sick of excess self-referential writing. It feels like a desperate way to try and win fans over.
Now they've been holding back, I mean we could have had the Organians too. :lol:
 
Wesley being Gary 7's boss and one of his agents also being responsible for the safety of a Picard who is being threatened by an Ancestor of Data who is directly connected to Khan, Guinan is also there during all of this. And in case you say "That's nowhere near all of canon!" I was clearly being hyperbolic.

The point is that I am sick of excess self-referential writing. It feels like a desperate way to try and win fans over.
Makes the Trek universe seems smaller than it should be. Everything doesn't have to be connected. But apparently it does if you want an "expanded universe."

Oh well, there's always DS9 and Enterprise. Two shows that the current Trek series are only obliquely referencing, so they're safe for now.
 
Gold medal mental gymnastics


Its not a borg anything

It's the space butt hole that seasons 3 villain will come out of and the old crew has to come out of retirement to defeat it.

It's definitely a symbol of hope and the new age of the galaxy. Monster coming through or not.
 
Q's meddling was an attempt to make Renee fail and bring about the Confederation. He tried using his powers on her to make her bail on the mission. Then he tried using therapy sessions! Finally, he tried to get Soong to kill Renee! If any of those had succeeded, it would've caused the Confederation timeline.

In a timeline without meddling, Talinn would've made sure that Renee completed her mission. No Q needed. But, no, Q consistently didn't want Renee to succeed.

Nope. He was the guy behind sending Picard and company to begin with. Getting Soong involved was to motivate Picard.

You can do this when you're omniscient.

Good episode. It's just a shame that a lot of what lead up to it felt like filler.


That's not true according to what Q said to Picard. He mentions all other timelines in which he didn't interfere and the one he did interfere in had the Supervisor meet Rene face to face.

He mentions in all timelines that Rene's Watcher dies. But in this one, she meets Rene.

Or, you can believe that writers didn't have it all figured out or consistent. Given this season, I'm going with that.

Shoot, Q even said there didn't have to be anything more than the life of one person, JL in this case. So, making it more than that just diminished that point, which I thought was awesome.

And, no, Q didn't work (down to counseling sessions with Renee and "hiring" Soong!) to produce the Confederation as a means of saving the sector, etc. That's nonsense. He was actively trying to prevent the entire Federation/Prime timeline.

I could but this is 100% what's on screen. Also, it's SILLY to say that Q wanted to make the Confederation when he's stated upfront this was all for Picard.

And it was ALWAYS this way according to Picard since the bullet holes were already in his past.

So Q knew how this would end.
 
Q's interference caused Picard & Gang to become aware of the existence of the Confederation timeline.
(just like he made Picard aware of the Borg)
When all was said and done, Q returned everybody back to the starting point with a few modifications...
Including the Juarti Borg still existing separate from the Prime Timeline Borg.


Yes I agree with you season 2 of Picard can be described as:

Q showing them an alternate timeline.

When it's all said and done.

Returning them back with a few changes.

The whole season was "when it's all said and done"

The borg wasn't redeemed.
 
It's definitely a symbol of hope and the new age of the galaxy. Monster coming through or not.

They literally did a space butt hole in season 1 but that one had a metal squid coming out trying to destroy all biological life.

I admire your attempts using headcanon on season 2.

But the show did you No favors.
 
Makes the Trek universe seems smaller than it should be. Everything doesn't have to be connected. But apparently it does if you want an "expanded universe."
Yeah, the whole thing about the Travelers and Supervisors watching over the galaxy and also recruiting people from history really makes you question where they were throughout all of Star Trek's history.
 
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