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I don't need greatness in my Trek. Just good enough.
I don't need greatness in my Trek. Just good enough.
What are your realistic expectations for Strange New Worlds
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Star Trek only reached "great" a few times in its history, now hitting 55 years, 56 in September.
What would make it a good/very good Star Trek? To me, unconnected adventures. Tell good stories, some with morals and some not. Have some humor to show that these people can face danger and death and really be that damned good. Have faults, but overcome them in the moment to face down a threat and have presence of mind to do that first and not be selfish to think of themselves first.
Work together to solve the problem of the week, and use that as an example that people from all races, colors and backgrounds really can work together.
The production teams for Trek have shown that they can't sustain a season-long story arc with any great success or hold interest, but things like Lower Decks have worked out really well with individual episodes. And in these small glimpses via trailers and character spots for SNW have held my interest and stoked my imagination more than 4 years of Discovery and almost 2 years of Picard.
Greatness is just good enough.
No... *extremely confused look*
Greatness is great.
Good enough is good enough.
The two are not the same, at least not in my book.
Maybe.
If they can do that I will be impressed.
"Good enough?"
That can be read as not really putting up a best effort, or trying to do something fresh, and living up to its potential. The ST franchise has suffered through enough of that over the past 25 or so years.
Read in to it what you will.
I have no desire for great in Star Trek. I will continue to suffer with the poor pitiful Star Trek I have.
The franchise has never achieved greatness. I think we're in love with the concept, not the execution.
Really, it can be read any number of ways - depending upon your predisposition.
Not even DS9?
Amen.
I mean I love Trek and it provides me great enjoyment, but relative to what was produced at the same time, Trek was never the best Dramatic work for individual seasons. They have had a handful of very good Trek seasons with some of those seasons being some of the best of that year, but still not the best. And those are by far the exceptions not the rule.
For most of its history Trek's seasons have been in the above average to good. With a several being very good, and several being in the average or mediocre stage. The one real exception to this belief, is TOS as I was exceptionally young when it aired, so all of my current memories of the show are actually based off of early 70's and later streaming of the show. So I have only watched about 10 other shows that aired at the same time as TOS, and that's not a balanced representation of its time so I can't compare it to the rest of what was made during those years.
So it would utterly irrational for one to expect more.
Now I can quantify that by expressing my enjoyment and my understanding the quality of product aren't in alignment. There are certain things I am drawn to (Trek is one) that heighten my enjoyment more then what is put on the page. Just like I can thank the Wire was the best tv show of its time (for certain seasons) but its a show that I found far less enjoyable to watch than even average Trek.
I hope and expect to be entertained. I hope, but don't expect to be engaged by the characters overall (Something Trek has an extremely poor record with me, typically runs about 50 %), my biggest fear is that the show will make a return to my least liked aspect of TOS growing up and that is ending the show on inappropriate laugh or light hearted moment (fine if the episode matches but utterly off-putting if that doesn't match the tone and story matter of the episode)
Some of them are actually pretty insightful. But I rarely watch them talk about Nu Trek, since I mostly watch the older stuff.
Exactly, and I will not hold any new show up to the exceptions as a standard.
Greatness is exceptional, and by definition will not be the rule.
The very best ten or so hours of Star Trek remain my favorite TV of all time. Those are the ones that I vividly remember the excitement and the feelings of seeing for the first time. And those are the reasons I'm a fan of the show.
That so much of it is not good is irritating, nothing more.
That so much of it is not good is irritating, nothing more.
Nope.
DS9 is for me Trek at its peak, but that doesn't mean it was consistently great. Season 2, 4,5 and 6 are strong seasons of Trek with 4 and 5 being in my opinion the best of those and while they have some great episodes in them, the seasons as a whole aren't overall great. And seasons 1,3 and 7 have significant areas of weakness over many episodes.
Indeed.
It's all colors to a tapestry. A minor annoyance when the color orange comes up, rather than a crime against whatever standard is used.
When people talk about the quality of modern Trek, I always try to make two points. 1 modern Trek has produced no where near the amount (percentage wise) of bad Trek versus TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT, and none of modern Trek even my most disliked episode rates as the worst Trek has ever made. But modern Trek also hasn't produced those rare Great episodes of Trek that each of the previous series have managed to various degrees (a couple have come close, but not quite there).
And that a great episode of Trek just make its so much easier to swallow bad episodes. That to me is one of the biggest downside to Modern Trek, as much as I do enjoy the shows. They haven't hit a great episode yet, they have had a few that have come close, but not quite there yet.
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Pike may be the one thing that carries me through.
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