What are your realistic expectations for Strange New Worlds

[Oddish]

don't find the MCU movies dumb, nor the live action Transformers movies fun...

The first Transformers movie was great. The second was "can they please stop blowing things up and get on with it". It was probably about $150 million bucks worth of stultifying repetition. I was afraid to see any more after that.

And while I like superhero movies that focus on one hero (or a small group of them), having gobs of them together is just too much.

Can't I? Please?

Yeah, you have a point.

haven't seen Interstellar so I have no opinion there, but Cause and Effect was...fine. I doubt it would break my top 30 TNG episodes. I found it - understandably - pretty repetitive.

First time it's good, watching it again after a few years is Ok. But yeah, watch it too much and it's like that Transformers movie (only quieter).

 

[somebuddyX]

The first Transformers movie was great. The second was "can they please stop blowing things up and get on with it". It was probably about $150 million bucks worth of stultifying repetition. I was afraid to see any more after that.
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I find the second one fascinating because I think there's a decent "film" (or an FX reel at least) buried in there and one day soon I want to take a knife to it and edit into something I could see myself sitting through the whole thing without once rolling my eyes. The mum on the pot brownies, the dog sex, Leo getting tased, into the bin mate.
Dark of the Moon is somewhat better than the second one and I give it credit for going full on in the Decepticon invasion, plus it was great having Leonard Nimoy back in the franchise since 1986.
The fourth one sucks balls but there is one decent scene where the Autobots attack some building to rescue Mark Wahlberg, otherwise I was just bored.
Bumblebee is pretty much the first film again but most fans will agree I'm sure that the intro is awesome in showing the Fall of Cybertron with all the Transformers in the G1 forms. Most comments on Youtube are: "Why the heck didn't they do this from the beginning?"

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[Jedi Marso]

My expectation is that this might be the first nu-Trek TV show that actually feels like Star Trek.

 

[Oddish]

My expectation is that this might be the first nu-Trek TV show that actually feels like Star Trek.

I'd buy that for a dollar.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I don't find the MCU movies dumb

Mostly MCU movies are far from dumb. You don’t get 25+ movies out of a series by being stupid. Some people just like to look down on things I guess.

That’s not to say they are all good, but no, not dumb.

 

[Mudd]

They vary, but few are "dumb." What's true is that not all MCU movies are coherent stories, plotting is spotty, and the best ones break from what's a pretty simple formula. And some are brilliant. Which is what one ought to expect, from 25+ movies produced by a studio franchise over such a period of time.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't find the MCU movies dumb, nor the live action Transformers movies fun...

The MCU is rough. When it's decent it actually has some deeper parts of philosophy to explore. The original Dr. Strange, and Captain America were probably the best for that. The others are very much fun and actiony and do some deep dives too.

"No Way Home" was probably the more thought provoking one for me.

 

[Search4]

I think I read here on this forum and a couple other places that "New Eden" was geared to be a Proof of Concept to see how a Pike series could go. If SNW is like that, I think we're all in for a good series.

New Eden was outstanding. A gentleman named Chris(t) is killed, disappears in a beam of light, and reappears/is reborn. In a church. And then the ending with one of the best lines ever - ‘I lied”. Anson was amazing.

 

[dupersuper]

The first Transformers movie was great.

If by first Transformers you mean the animated one, sure.

And while I like superhero movies that focus on one hero (or a small group of them), having gobs of them together is just too much.

It's maybe the comic book fan in me. I still get a kick out of seeing them all together. I'd watch a whole movie of them just hanging out like they did at the party in Age of Ultron.

My expectation is that this might be the first nu-Trek TV show that actually feels like Star Trek.

Prodigy and Lower Decks feel like Star Trek to me. Short Treks to. Discovery is...getting there, slowly, and even Picard is, well...better this season than last.

 

[Forsythe]

I hope it's just good old episodic fun, with some multi-part story arcs thrown in for good measure.
I am an old fart fan who found TOS as a child in first run syndication. I am decidedly not one of those who hates any era of the franchise. I sort of root for them like a football team. I watched TNG religiously, despite not being in love with the first season. The same could be said for me for every other iteration. The argument could be levelled at me that I'll watch whatever crap they throw at me, which is fair, but it's that I genuinely want to see these shows to succeed.
I loved when the newer shows did seasonal story arcs, but I think they have gone way to far with the universe ending repercussions in Discovery. It's become an uninteresting and unsustainable trope. I hope that SNW restores some balance in that regard. Referencing other events in continuity is enough for me.
I think there's plenty of drama of a single world in peril. Or a character. Or anything else that doesn't involve universal Armageddon.
I don't expect them to reinvent the wheel. Maybe just give this old fart some good old fashioned Trek with a modern coat of paint. Anson Mount's Captain Pike was a breath of fresh air in season 2 of Discovery. Give me more of that.
Then again, those buggers know I'll watch anyway.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

If by first Transformers you mean the animated one, sure.

*high five!*

"No Way Home" was probably the more thought provoking one for me.

From Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire, to Andrew Garfield, to Tom Holland, Spidey-Movies always make me cry. I love Peter Parker.

 

[Oddish]

If by first Transformers you mean the animated one, sure.

Didn't see it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't also worthy.

Prodigy and Lower Decks feel like Star Trek to me.

Prodigy is pretty earnest, while Lower Decks feels like a Trek version of one of my fanfiction parodies... more intended to amuse than to be a serious story. My recent effort "I'm Crazy For Q" falls into a similar category.

 

[Sci]

Prodigy is pretty earnest, while Lower Decks feels like a Trek version of one of my fanfiction parodies... more intended to amuse than to be a serious story.

I mean, of course it's more meant to amuse than to be a "series" story -- it's a sitcom! But that doesn't mean episodes like "Terminal Provocations," "No Small Parts," "Where Pleasant Fountains Lie," "wej Duj," or "First First Contact" haven't been able to tell emotionally affecting stories too.

 

[Oddish]

But that doesn't mean episodes like "Terminal Provocations," "No Small Parts," "Where Pleasant Fountains Lie," "wej Duj," or "First First Contact" haven't been able to tell emotionally affecting stories too.

No, it doesn't. Many of my own comedies were likewise intended to do exactly that. Just because a story is silly, doesn't mean it can't be heartfelt.

 

[Sci]

No, it doesn't. Many of my own comedies were likewise intended to do exactly that. Just because a story is silly, doesn't mean it can't be heartfelt.

Exactly. Star Trek: Lower Decks is very goofy, but it's got a lot of heart.

 

[BillJ]

Expectations? I just don't know? CBS has burned me multiple times with shows that look like they will be incredible, but end up really being nothing more than nostalgia masturbation.

We'll see.

 

[gweeps]

I expect it to be majestic and wonderful.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

So what are your expectations and prediction?

I have few expectations for any ST series produced in this era. That SNW is about Pike makes little difference, so I'm in a wait and see mode about this. The one thing I will not do is act like the co-host of a certain Trek-themed YouTube channel, where he--during the run-up to almost every new ST series--has talked it up as something potentially great and "fantastic" (based on...?) when that's setting himself up for disappointment of some kind, so again, i'm in wait and see mode.

anyone who has been watching tv shows for decades know, it is easy to predict if you think a show will be good or not.

Not really true.

 

[Mudd]

The one thing I will not do is act like the co-host of a certain Trek-themed YouTube channel...

I'm so glad that I've no time to waste on Yapping YouTube critics.

 

[crookeddy]

These writers just don't have greatness in them... and what WOULD make this a great Star Trek show? Picard style moralizing, Discovery style melodrama, or TOS style completely unconnected adventures of the week?

I don't know if ANY of those formulas could produce a truly great show, and if they could I am not sure these writers are what's needed to pull it off.