Gratuitous fanservice?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"
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Gratuitous fanservice?
I do not watch TV shows about galaxy spanning civilizations, matter/energy transport, and FTL travel for realism. It isn't that the hero ships have special power. It's that as part of a piece of dramatic entertainment the ships, when done well, become a huge part of the set/setting of the showing a vital part of the atmosphere of the show on par with the characters themselves. The term "hero ship" is derived from this very phenomenon and wouldn't exist if it wasn't true. It's why they're presented in beauty shots and presented in dialogue with reverence "there's another ship coming in.....it's the Enterprise! [ass is kicked, day is saved]" It's not just in Trek: there's the Millennium Falcon, the Rocinante, etc. etc. etc.....
The E-D is one of the defining pieces of TNG iconography. She deserved top go out like a hero, not a chump. She went out like a chump. Maybe that's what happens in real life....but I don't tune in for that.
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I’m trying to get my mind around how the “both timelines continue” idea would work.
At some point, our heroes get snapped back to the Stargazer in the Prime Timeline, and their Confederation counterparts regain control of their own bodies. Except Confederation Elnor is now dead, Confederation Annika is now part Borg, and Confederation Jurati is now the Borg Queen. Somehow they all make it back to the Confederation 25th Century, where historians note that the Confederation happened because Agent Wells let Picard go. He’s a hero.
At some point, our heroes get snapped back to the Stargazer in the Prime Timeline, and their Confederation counterparts regain control of their own bodies. Except Confederation Elnor is now dead, Confederation Annika is now part Borg, and Confederation Jurati is now the Borg Queen. Somehow they all make it back to the Confederation 25th Century, where historians note that the Confederation happened because Agent Wells let Picard go. He’s a hero.
Hang on a sec... "white straight guys" can't experience trauma as strongly or in the same way as "otherized" groups? Is that really what your statement above means? Please clarify... Because if that is what you're saying here, then your post is full of pure pigshit. If not, and I missed something critical (known to happen a lot), I shall sincerely apologize in advance.
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Eh, Isa Briones is cute, but there's been more sexual energy from Jurati and the effin Borg Queen this season.
I find myself frustrated with Tallinn as well. They didn't really do a damn thing with her, considering she got two episodes of buildup. She creeps on Renee until she doesn't any more, and just acts as a sounding board for Picard. Rios, Jurati, and Seven have all at least gotten some semblance of a character arc.
The most telegraphed suicide in the history of television.
Unnecessarily dark past of a character shoved in because they don't know how to make characters interesting anymore without "MYSTERY!".
These writers don't know what makes a Borg threatening. Making these mercenaries Borg did not change a single aspect of what they were beforehand.
Generic fight scenes. Generic shooting scenes. KEWL!
Seven gets her Borg implants back in the exact same place her old ones were. Yeah, that makes about as much sense as that man I saw standing on the street in a school girl uniform...
Borg Queen slow motion walk again. Awesome! Nice Michael Bay inspiration there. You want to make Star Trek look cool, go to 90s Michael Bay.
Picards moving back into the chateau in the future. "Hey, who are all these dead people inside the walls? Why are there so many bullet holes in the place?"
Unnecessarily dark past of a character shoved in because they don't know how to make characters interesting anymore without "MYSTERY!".
These writers don't know what makes a Borg threatening. Making these mercenaries Borg did not change a single aspect of what they were beforehand.
Generic fight scenes. Generic shooting scenes. KEWL!
Seven gets her Borg implants back in the exact same place her old ones were. Yeah, that makes about as much sense as that man I saw standing on the street in a school girl uniform...
Borg Queen slow motion walk again. Awesome! Nice Michael Bay inspiration there. You want to make Star Trek look cool, go to 90s Michael Bay.
Picards moving back into the chateau in the future. "Hey, who are all these dead people inside the walls? Why are there so many bullet holes in the place?"
This explains A LOT.
Because it's entertaining. I don't speak for Joe fans though. But RLM has fans that just like to watch them shoot the shit because of the entertainment value.
The borg with inexhaustible ammo was about as bonkers. Borgnes didn't have a lot of time to turn that security detail into drones. Maybe she kept beaming in more and more ammo and had drones to hand it out, but at the rate they were firing, they should have been reduced to looking for rocks to throw by the time Raffi and 7 made their run.Okay, that scene of Seven and Raffi sprinting into gunfire does look bonkers on a second viewing.
I am guessing Q doesn't bother returning their bodies back to the Confederation 25th century at all. Why bother exactly? The only important thing to do is to ensure that Borg Jurati can take her refugee collective through the temporal anomaly to the Federation. Everything after that doesn't really impact either the Federation TL or the lesson that Q is trying to teach.
I'm pretty sure that all the shit they have done to mess up the timeline...that's the Confederation future, not the Federation one. Ultimately they need to stop Renee to ensure the Confederation comes into being so the Borg can escape to the Federation. There will be a separate "virgin" timeline without all their temporal adventures which Q will then establish.
Which is kinda fucked, when you think about it, because it means that everyone we have been watching is in a TL that's doomed.
If Trek was real, The ENT-D would not have gone down so easily as it did.
For one thing, Worf would have had the sensibility to check for scanning devices or signs of tampering of Geordi's visor... and given the crew's history with the Klingon sisters in the past, it would have been prudent.
Second, even if that failed, the Klingons only used this to scan for shield frequencies (why not use it to tap into the main computer more easily?)... which the ENT-D crew should have accounted for and info on shield frequencies would would have been classified for the duration of the battle (aka, only accessible to the bridge crew, and not to engineering).
Third, a measly strike of a single phaser beam from the ENT-D was pathetic to say the least. A more sensible Riker would have ordered a full spread of phasers (set to continuous firing) and photon torpedoes... which would likely not only penetrate the BoP shields but also destroy it in the process after such a barrage.
Even with shields down, the ENT-D should have survived with 'some' damage - in the movie, Riker effectively allowed the enemy to keep bombarding the ENT-D until a critical section was hit.
That's a great point. If it is BQJ, then she really messed up communicating with the Federation. A bit more clarity on who she was specifically would've gone a long way. True, they wouldn't understand the totality of it, but at least make an attempt to be transparent and look like Jurati!
Yeah, I don't like the idea of letting that timeline survive unless they are planning to do some kind of multiverse war in season 3.
Could have also left them in the pattern buffer.
Maybe the Picards' tech wariness comes from the generational trauma of discovering people half merged in the basement walls, and when the transporter was invented, someone put the ideas together that a transporter might have sent people through time or something.
I'm not following you here. If the actions of our crew allow the Prime timeline to exist, wouldn't what we see happening simply carry forward into it? We're at a point before the Federation/Confederation split so in actuality, what we're seeing would exist in either timeline.
You want to leave General Picard and President Annika in the 21st Century? Sounds like an ugly temporal paradox.
Isn't that what Parallels showed us?
I definitely agree that the should've spent more time building up the case for the change of mindset instead of all the filler they put in.
However, I can buy the change. The BQ was in a vulnerable position. Knowledge the collective had been destroyed, and cutoff from a hive mind. She then has Agnes in her head who impressed her. And it was one mind against another rather than a whole collective assimilating an individual. So, it's going to be more balanced.
I can accept the outcome. But, like you, I think they should've built it up more. There were bits of it here and there, but for such a major change it all needs to come together in a convince way.
We know from Episode 1 the Borg came out of some sort of temporal anomaly. That suggests time travel, but it could be between universes to boot.
Plus we know that Borg-Jurati said "one Renee must live, the other must die" - that suggests that she thinks that the Confederation has to come into being in order for her to have some hope for survival. Maybe it's just because the garden-variety Borg would wipe them out in Prime? It's been established Queens can see across multiple universes now, and Jurati also gained that power in this episode, so she presumably knows the scenario by which the "nice Borg" can remain in existence.
So they simultaneously need to ensure Renee lives (so Prime is restored) and that she dies (so the Confederation is restored). Dramatically speaking, following the characters in the second is more interesting.
Just mulch the empty bodies.
