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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"
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Sorry now but this is well wrong. Ask the Polish, Lithuanian or any other nation from the former Soviet states who lives in the UK or the Irish over there in the 20th century.
Minority nations back in Yugoslavia, The Lappish, the Irish travellers.
How about in the US with the "Irish, Italians, Germans and the Jews" as Springsteen once sang. That one is more in the past I know but it carries weight.
Ridiculous to say certain groups don't understand trauma the same and don't get othered.
You are right that most of the criticism comes from straight white men but with the Star Trek fan base they are probably the biggest or close to it in all the good and bad comments. Certainly looks that way with reviewers
Yup. It’s a quick mention, but it defintiely seems like Maurice encouraged her to get treatment.
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Apparently, it was mentioned earlier in the series she refused treatment.
In UFP, drugs for treatments are likely created to be non-addictive in the first place... but the reason for additiction in the real world is usually down to the environment in which people live (aka, they want to escape it because the conditions the live in are bad to them, or due to bad experiences they had in the existing environment which weren't resolved).
In Trek/UFP, the environment is a non monetary one in which a person doesn't have to worry about paying bills, finances or scarcity for that matter (in fact, we eradicated scarcity long ago, but we artificially maintain it in this day and age - just look at how much food is being actively trashed from harvesting... nearly 50%... meanwhile, a LOT of produced electronic goods which function just fine are also trashed simply to artificially maintain high prices - on top of that, there's WAY more empty homes than there are homeless people - these are all failures of the system we live in, plain and simple).
Our present socio-economic system is BAD at managing global resources... simple as that. The root cause of addiction has been discussed about by plenty of scientists who reached the conclusion that environment is largely to blame here.
I would go so far to suggest that in a couple of centyuries direct mind interfaces will have made the need for GUI's and writing for that matter to be largely the sort of thing associated with specialists. The general human or post-human population will be functionally or even completely illiterate.
Writing may end up being a useful invention, that like the ox-cart, pops up with the agrarian revolution, lingers a few thousand years and then is quietly gone by the time of uploaded and interfaced consciousness. It will have served a purpose. But I also don't think any sci fi show is going to be able to survive showing that kind of future.
I've done this before, as I enjoy listening to people examine why stories do and don't work. It's something I can put on and half-focus on while doing other work and if I had no interest in watching the series anyway I'm not concerned about spoilers.
I've also been watching a lot of negative videos about Picard recently. Not because I've been looking for them, they just showed up in my regular subscriptions, and no one here ever recommends any positive ones!
It’s not sustainable as an ongoing story I think. But it worked as background for WALL•E.
Straight white guy here. The theme speaks well to me.
But, I'm a bit different as I work in the mental health field. What is painfully frustrating to me is the sheer level of unwillingness to recognize what trauma does to the brain. "Can't you just get over it?" Is such a common phrase I hear and it's really shows a lack of awareness of mental health in general, trauma in particular.
But, the flip side is (and the sad reality is) people who struggle with mental illness also struggle with compliance with treatment, just like other ailments. Noncompliance is a very real part of treatment in this field, and insisting people get treatment is difficult because part of what mental health professionals do is validate autonomy.
Of course it is...
There's a poster here who does one and he does a good job.
But, generall, I don't recommend videos. To me they are not enjoyable anymore so why I would recommend stuff I don't watch myself.
So, its possible/likely even that Picard's weren't particualry averse to technology... except if perhaps Maurice decided not to use Replicators for example... and wanted to teach his kids to be more self reliant - but in fairness, he could have done that whilst having a replicator too... though, maybe he found that not having a replicator would have been easier to do that and avoid kids from 'cheating'... plus its possible Yvette and Maurice liked to hand cook meals.
Robert may have ended up on a more conservative spectrum in regards to technology than Maurice even (possibly exaccerbated by his mother's death), but even he ended up having 'some' technology at the chateou in TNG... even if it was minimal... for the sake of his wife and kid.
Good episode, but still feel like the season has just been kinda wandering. Like a 2-parter they decided to pad out to 10. We've now finished 9 episodes, and really haven't done much of anything to address Q or his motivations, which was (in theory) the catalyst for the season. Still need to do whatever with Renee, go back to the future, deal with the new borg/Agnes, deal with Q stuff, wrap up Elnor's stuff, something with Rios and his great x8 grandmother/girlfriend, Seven and Rafi, Picard's thing with Laris and whether he's healed enough for that kiss... Million things to do that are all going to be crammed into the final episode when it probably should have been two. And pretty much guarantees a 30-second wrap up of the major dilemma with Q even though after 9 episodes they really still haven't even fully introduced the problem.
Wasted a lot of time with pacing in the middle of the season, now trying to just toss it all out and land the plane. Doesn't feel like it's possible to satisfyingly wrap the season in 42 minutes from where they are...
Wasted a lot of time with pacing in the middle of the season, now trying to just toss it all out and land the plane. Doesn't feel like it's possible to satisfyingly wrap the season in 42 minutes from where they are...
There's probably more to the anti replicator thing now. Maybe Maurice was afraid Yvette would bypass safety procedures and replicate a weapon. This is not far fetched. Even with today's 3D printers you can create weapons if you know where to look and research on shady websites how to do it
That’s possible. While on A Strange New Pod’s twitch stream (I recommend them for people looking for positive and critical discussion of all things Trek, I always enjoy participating in the live chat and hearing them go through each episode) covering the episode last night I had something along the same thought, that perhaps Robert could have misinterpreted Maurice’s reasoning for not having replicators, or maybe a transporter, in their home, as those could have posed too great a risk of self harm to be available to Yvette.
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There's another factor. People also struggle with finances today... so the ability to GET help (even if they want to) isn't really at their disposal unless they can actually afford it.
And yes, while I am aware there is some support for people on low income, you have to realize that most people are not really aware of it, and potentially, the QUALITY of the said help would be questionable at best (or they would be pretty swamped and not able to SEE people in the first place because of long waiting lines - mainly because in the present system, low income support systems are severely underfunded and badly managed - if we lived in a non monetary world, all councilors would be helping whoever they can in their local areas because they want to for free - just like in UFP - and this way, accessibility wouldn't be an issue, and you can provide help to those who might be deemed top priority)... and also, today here could also be a 'stigma' for many in seeking help for mental health issues (because a lot of people erroneously think that they would somehow be 'weak' if they ask for it).
In UFP, such factors (stigma, accessibility and finances) are literally non existent (or at least they wouldn't exist) because of the society the Federation is supposed to be. Therefore, seeking professional help for mental health disorders would have not only been easier... but encouraged even (and the frequency at which they crop up would have also been happening at FAR LOWER rates compared to what we experience in the real world because the environment in UFP is by far healthier for human, alien and environmental well-being).
In fact, I would expect children in UFP to be TAUGHT in schools that seeking such help would be ok... which is why you wouldn't see problems crop up in that kind of society as they do today.
The writers tend to not connect these dots when thinking up stories and how evolved societies might functions... they usually transpose existing troubles onto the future, even if the underlying root causes were addressed a long time ago (at least on Earth and most UFP member planets).
In Yvette's case, she may have not even noticed her condition until it started affecting her (especially if she hadn't been going for annual or frequent medical checkups - on starships, crews do an equivalent of a medical checkup per month or year - perhaps even on a weekly basis if its deemed necessary), and by the time she had, her judgment would have been impaired by it and she decided not to get treatment, which (as we know) led to her death.
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The future must worry about viruses so much as to revert to generating many seemingly superfluous read-only devices, each of which would have cost a consumer thousands during the resource scarcity era.
This... although, that also puts the blame somewhat on Maurice for not adequately explaining to his kids WHY he didn't allow certain technologies, or why he never took them to see a councilor after Yvette's death (Jean Luc's distorted memories certainly account for lack of explanation on Maurice's part or councelling).
Context matters... and kids aren't stupid. But then again, its also possible Maurice ended up very distraught after Yvette's death that he simply... neglected them to a degree.
I am quite aware of all of this. Largely because I serve low income.
One of the big aspects of mental health that many don't realize is that while we may look at it as an illness, sometimes to them this is just their normal every day experience, i.e. they feel everyone experiences these voices, or mood swings. So, any treatment doesn't always feel right, resulting in noncompliance.
We don't have a resource scarcity... we have an artificially maintained scarcity and VERY BAD management of Earth's resources under the current socio-economic system.
That said, for a PADD in Trek to not being able to contain multiple documents is quite simply dumb.
Even a smarthphone or a basic pad today can keep thousands of documents without access to a cloud. Comic books are more graphically intensive and a 32GB storage unit would also hold between 19 and 40 of them.
Storage in Trek should have advanced to ridiculous degrees where a simple PADD would hold hundreds of thousands of graphical and audio documents at minimum... millions even.. if not much more. Just look at how much storage has increased from one decade to the next in real life. In UFP, the storage of a PADD should be enough to contain a full blown library of an entire planet... if not several.
They still need to download information from a central computer (at least on a ship) to a PADD, so, why bother with just 1 book at a time?
I can understand you'd only download 1 book if you don't intend to read more than one, but you can still use the same PADD to have other information there.
I just chalk up what we saw on VOY for 'effect' and not to be taken literally (about a PADD being used for 1 thing only) and that in actuality, SF officers would each maybe have 1 or two padds and separate the work related stuff on a single PADD, or just use 1 PADD for personal things and a second PADD for work.
Also, I don't think a threat of viruses is an issue in UFP. The environment they live in simply doesn't prompt that kind of behavior to begin with... if anything, I would imagine that people would be trying to test and break the system with malicious code only so they could detect flaws in the existing security and then improve upon it.
The fact that foreign powers hadn't managed to remotely tap into UFP cyber network and cause massive deletions or disruptions and whatnot tells me the systems are fairly secure... and even if they had, occurrences of that nature have happened on a few offhand occasions.
Indeed, I would in that case do what I can to beef up security and keep it up to date, but otherwise, still wouldn't worry about keeping stuff on the cloud (especially on a starship that's a pretty much closed system for the most part).
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Trek is quite dumb, then. I blame TNG.
I think she was just Soongs motivation rather than a character with a storyline.
I also feel like there might have been a touch of old fashioned T'polesque Bermantrek to some of her scenes.
