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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"
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Agreed. That's why I have doubts about it. A greater concern for me is that I'm not sure what it would add to the story. Although, there is some parallel between Rene and JL both looking to the stars as children. Probably also true with Reenee.
Basically, it's the only thing I could think of as to what the BQ meant!
If Elnor had been back on Vashti he wouldn't have been shifted, no, just like Soji didn't get shifted, because she wasn't anywhere near at the time. Out of all those ships and their crews gathered at the anomaly, Q took everyone who had some kind of established relationship with Picard - Agnes, Seven and Rios from the Stargazer and Raffi and Elnor from Excelsior - leaving behind the rest of those crews, who had never met him before. So in a sense Raffi is right, if Elnor hadn't joined Starfleet he wouldn't have been there to get shifted to the alternate timeline and murdered. But then again, if he hadn't been posted to one of the ships that was sent to the anomaly he wouldn't have been there, either - once you go down that road, you can find almost anything to blame. His fate was not Raffi's fault. But grief is rarely rational.
Me too. I can't see it happening, at this point, but I would love it - back in 2.01 there was so much potential, set-up for a whole season's worth of character arcs, between all the characters we touched base with, but none of that potential was developed. Using this cast as the basis for a Stargazer show, exploring the geopolitical landscape of the early 25th century could be fabulous. But I'm not sure it's a direction the production team want to develop.
That's not the comment that quote is a reply too.
This is:
I realized I didn't give any reason in my original post for why I shouted (not screamed), and came back and stated why; I felt the episode was badly written.
Regardless, I get your point. My original post was foolish and I need to control my impulses. I'm working on it.
Have a good day.
Hell, I keep forgetting Rene is in that Nexus illusion.
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So ol' Locutus of Borg - destroyer of dozens of Starfleet vessels, slayer of thousands of Starfleet officers and civilians, was fine and dandy to pick up where he left off commanding the flagship of The Federation a few days after disconnecting from the hive and a bit of nip / tuck courtesy of Doc Crusher.
But Seven? Disconnected from the hive for years; proven herself a loyal and valued member of Voyager's crew, whose contributions to saving the ship on more than one occasion lead to the circumstances of Endgame in which The Borg - The Federation's most lethal enemy - were crippled? Yeeeeah - sorry. IDIC? I think not.
Anyway. What a mess of a season. It was cringeworthy listening to the dialogue Spiner and Stewart exchanged, considering how many wonderful scenes they shared together in the past - and now this. Jesus.
Picard was a Borg for what? 36 - 48 hours?
Seven was a Human assimilated at age 6; and returned to being human after 20+ years of being a Borg.
Also, I'm sure many still felt like Ben Sisko did (IE - No not everyone agreed that Picard should just be given back his Command. But hey, that's how Starfleet rolls. The fact he was given back Command after living what to him was 70 years of another life - see TNG S5 "The Inner Light" <-- And while yes, many a TNG fan holds this one up as one of the best TNG eps.; personally I think its one of the worst and never liked it... BECAUSE after that level of disassociation, he should be in no shape to command anything; PLUS what about him being 'chosen' to teach/tell the Galaxy about this noble, but now dead species? Yet - all forgotten by next week...YMMV)
Here's a dark idea: Maybe Q shifted everyone who was onboard in the fleet to the Confederation, it's just that everyone else didn't know to bother getting in contact with Picard.
I mean, it's possible, for sure! But if Picard and co have paused at all to ponder that possibility, I'm sure they'd have done everything just the same anyway, resolute in their conviction that setting the timeline right is the only way to help all those people (who'd have died if left where they were anyway, since Stargazer's self-destruct also took out the rest of the fleet, being networked).
I know no one probably cares what I voted for this episode, but it says I gave it a "2" when I actually intended to give it a "7". I was pushing the scroll down button on my keyboard and it moved the cursor down to the two instead or the seven, and there was no way to edit my vote once I realized my mistake. So while I was not blown away by this episode, I certainly didn't think it was level "2" bad. Such are the dangers of typing with shaky hands and terrible eyesight.
Hey, what did the guy who fixes the TARDIS ever do to you?
Who says it's Picards' Penance. It may be Q's Penance.
Once the timeline is restored, they will return to their own time. No ship needed. They should find themselves on the Stargazer bridge. Also, Q did NOT send them back in time. They got there themselves
It's what he will do.
I thought Tom Cruise put a stop to that fascist Department of Future Crime nonsense ages ago.
Another fate for viruses is to become inert and be incorporated into the host's DNA.
While I thought the episode as a whole was fine, man did it have some low quality effects. Which is surprising for a show that's pretty consistently been top notch in that department. At first this shot of Soong talking to Picard at the Chateau really stuck out, but this one really takes the cake. Wouldn't these guys still be alive for a few seconds after being transported into the walls instead of being obviously static images Photoshopped into the scene? It was just shockingly bad.
Unrelated to SFX, but if these Spec Ops guys are Borg now, why was the bald guy who attacked Raffi and Seven so emotional?
Unrelated to SFX, but if these Spec Ops guys are Borg now, why was the bald guy who attacked Raffi and Seven so emotional?
Honestly, the whole "beamed into a wall" thing is ridiculous anyway. Even if it were possible, two atoms cannot have electron shells that close together, so it would trigger some sort of explosion.
I wonder though... how does a group of people from the original timeline who were destroyed in an M/AM explosion wwoke up in their counterparts bodies end up just returning to the UFP timeline?
I mean, that bit right there made no sense whatsoever. 7 lost her Borg implants when her UFP consciousness was placed in her Confederation counterpart... to me this indicates that it was Q who did that particular thing (much like he did for Picard at the end of TNG in 'All Good Things'.
Picard was shifting from one time frame to the other, his consciousness being 'beamed' into his different timeline counterparts bodies as a result of Q.
Unless there's a third party at play here we hadn't taken into account... perhaps whoever employed Talin to look after Renee?
Right, or you think a transporter would have some sort of protection from that when it realizes it's trying to materialize a person where matter already exists so an inattentive transporter operator doesn't kill an entire away team. I suppose that could be turned off, but still. Of all the ways to depict that happening, this was by far the laziest. It would have been more plausible, albeit more gruesome, had Seven beamed them anywhere but made them materialize inside out or something.
I mean, I presume that normal operation of a transporter requires the air where people are materialized to be beamed...somewhere.
