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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

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It's part of why the 2373 drones aboard the Enterprise-E fell victim to holographic machine gun bullets. They were - to the Borg - solid objects they didn't have enough time to adapt to.
 
On that note, adios, La Sirena.

Well, the Confederation timeline version of her, anyway. Like V'ger, that version will be sitting at the heart of the new Borg ship we saw in the first episode.

Am a little surprised about Rios and Teresa. Not 100% sure we’re done with that.

Agree. I think she and the kid are headed for the 25th Century.

An issue here is the “Look up” that Borgati said in the premiere but Picard never said that to Jurati. I suppose it could have been from the Borg’s assimilation of Picard years ago but it seems strange.

I was going to bring this up in another post, but this one'll work too. This is a plot hole, albeit a minor one. While we don't know that Confederation Picard was ever assimilated by the Borg, there's no evidence that he wasn't, either. If he wasn't, the Queen Juratti's departure means the door has closed on this one and we have something that can no longer be explained.

Loved the Borg getting beamed into the walls.

And the part that'll really bake your noodle: if we are still pre timeline-split, will a jaunt into the tunnels below Chateau Picard in the 25th Century suddenly reveal borgified humans transported into the walls?
 
I was going to bring this up in another post, but this one'll work too. This is a plot hole, albeit a minor one. While we don't know that Confederation Picard was ever assimilated by the Borg, there's no evidence that he wasn't, either. If he wasn't, the Queen Juratti's departure means the door has closed on this one and we have something that can no longer be explained.

We know Picard talked about his childhood with Jurati in the 5th episode. Is it so surprising to think he might have mentioned the "look up" line to her?
 
We know Picard talked about his childhood with Jurati in the 5th episode. Is it so surprising to think he might have mentioned the "look up" line to her?

He also used it in a speech in the premiere so it's possible he's used that line in speeches throughout the years and Jurati heard it. Or the Queen was just warning Picard to look up because something was about to fall on his head haha .
 
And the part that'll really bake your noodle: if we are still pre timeline-split, will a jaunt into the tunnels below Chateau Picard in the 25th Century suddenly reveal borgified humans transported into the walls?

Um...if you go through the spatial rupture which the Borg came from, you will find their remains, yes. But they won't be present in the regular timeline. I think.

So there is a universe where Borg have become rebar.
 
As for episode 9 of PIC, aside from Picard's childhood, and the Voyager references, and Picard facepalming upon learning that Rios let Teresa & Ricardo onto the ship, I wasn't feeling this episode at all.

- I like Teresa and I like Rios, but this romance storyline is just horrible. And Teresa can just easily use a tricorder with Romulan language easily, when she was uncertain about a different futuristic medical device to use on comatose Picard a couple of episodes earlier?

Thank you. I do understand Rios a bit, though- that doctor is hotter than supernova. :vulcan:

- Raffi finally discusses her thoughts on Elnor to ... a hologram of Elnor

Thank you. YET ANOTHER example of a high ranking, highly trained Starfleet Officer taking time out in the middle of a critical moment to express her feelings like some sort of misfit 25th Century millennial. Totally unprofessional, totally unbelievable, yet this has become a common trope in nu-Trek. The universe is at stake, but let's pause here a moment while we're under fire so I can explore my feels.

- So the La Sirena crew had the ability to program a hologram all this time, with its own mobile emitter, and never thought to activate it? Meaning they never needed to leave Jurati alone with the Borg Queen to become Borgrati.

Gotta love the writing this season. One hand-wavy, illogical, nonsensical plot point after another.

- With one episode left, there's a good chance that the 2024 arc continues into the S3 premiere won't it?

This is now by biggest fear looking toward S3. I'd like to see a clean end to this mess.
 
And now on the finale.... Soong is the villain. He will try to stop the Europa mission. Our crew must stop him and restore the timeline. It will be interesting to see what it means "two renee's, one must die". I suspect it has something to do with the fact that both timelines must exist, one where Renee dies and becomes the confederation timeline and one where renee lives that becomes the federation timeline. You need both timelines for consistency since Picard and crew timetravelled from the confederation timeline.

This makes sense on the one hand. On the other, it destroys the entire premise that the Confederation timeline was not an alternate timeline, but an altered Prime timeline. If it is the latter, than the two cannot simultaneously exist- it's either one or the other. So once again, the writers may have written themselves into a bit of a corner here. Unless we just abandon the idea that we've only been dealing with one timeline all along.

I hate temporal mechanics. ;)
 
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I still hold that all of this was basically just done by Q to teach Picard and his friends a lesson - that actually fixing the timeline isn't as important as what they take away from the process.
 
I still hold that all of this was basically just done by Q to teach Picard and his friends a lesson - that actually fixing the timeline isn't as important as what they take away from the process.
Yes, to show them what has been "lost in the wake of [their] fear". And they still haven't connected the dots.
 
We know Picard talked about his childhood with Jurati in the 5th episode. Is it so surprising to think he might have mentioned the "look up" line to her?

Like I said, a very minor plot hole. You just offered a suitable explanation off the cuff.
 
This makes sense on the one hand. On the other, it destroys the entire premise that the Confederation timeline was not an alternate timeline, but an altered Prime timeline. If it is the latter, than the two cannot simultaneously exist- it's either one or the other. So once again, the writers may have written themselves into a bit of a corner here. Unless we just abandon the idea that we've only been dealing with one timeline all along.

I hate temporal mechanics. ;)
Maybe she meant Renée and René, Picards nephew who ultimately dies in a fire...?
 
I'll rate this show an 8. I was really suprized about the unexpected twists and turns the show took with the characters stories.I liked how Agnes fought against total assimilation from the Borg Queen and having an Elnor hologram fighting the borg.I want to see how Adam Soong will be stopped and And Q will be up to.And if Kore will return and the Europa mission too.
 
I was so hoping that we wouldn't spend the whole season in the past ... but here we are, only one episode left. And it will end just like most people suspected by the end of first or second episode. It was Picard not trusting the Borg in episode one and the self destruction of the fleet that threw them back in time. And when he's back in the final episode, he will trust the Borg and make peace with them. And they will live happily ever after ...

When will we finally get a proper series about Star Fleet in 2401?
 
Has anyone pointed out that Raffi's guilt still makes no sense? Elnor being one of the few to make the jump to the Confed timeline to die isn't because he was in Starfleet. Otherwise the whole squadron would have retained their memories in the new timeline. Elnor literally made the jump for the real reason that he was a regular on Picard tv show season 1, and in-universe it's just handwaved as Q's random choice of who Picard gets to have come with him to see the evil future. That's it. In-universe, Elnor might very well have moved to Vashti and still got shifted to the Confed timeline and got killed anyway.
 
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