Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

[Romulan_spy]

With it looking more and more likely Rios won't be returning to the 25th century and all of Raffi's talk about how Seven could have been a captain, I wonder if maybe Seven will end up commanding the Stargazer.

While I would love to see Seven captain the Stargazer (I would definitely watch a Seven-Stargazer spin off!), I am not sure it would make sense since Seven is not even in Starfleet. To captain a starship, you have to rise through the ranks of Starfleet. It normally takes years. It would be very unrealistic for Starfleet to accept Seven into Starfleet at the rank commensurate with the captain of a starship.

 

[Deks]

I don’t see the issue.
Holodecks have been able to recreate real people like that since TNG.

It’s the mobile emitter I’m confused about, that was 29th century technology.

Also why did he need a mobile emitter? Guess Confederation La Sirena didn’t have holoemitters throughout the ship.

This.
The mobile emitter didn't make sense. The Confederation apparently had no time travel capabilities, so it doesn't make sense they would have access to a mobile emitter (from 29th century UFP timeline no less).

I think the Confederation La Sirena DID have holo emitters on board... but it could be that Jurati ended up making holo Elnor and separated him from the La sirena systems intentionally so he could fight the Borg more effectively... but again, we're back to the original question: how the heck did he acquire the mobile emitter?

Is it possible that Jurati herself programmed the specs of the mobile emitter? She IS a cyberneticist with extensive knowledge of modern UFP technology and AI.
It stands to reason she may have inputted the specs into the La Sirena, then made a mobile emitter for holo Elnor.

 

[eschaton]

Why do people think Elnor has a mobile emitter exactly? He never left La Sirena, and when Jurati turns him off, we don't see anything fall to the floor. Seems more like her tentacle thing just touched the hologram and disrupted it.

 

[Deks]

I didn't really see any evidence of technology in Chateau Picard in the flashbacks. I think they were always a luddite-ish family.

In the flashbacks of Jean-Luc's memories? Not particularly, no, but then again, we don't know as his memories pertained specifically to his mother and overall trauma.

There was 'some' technology seen in TNG when Jean-Luc went to Earth to see Robert... but that could have been for the benefit of his wife and son... a laptop basically, and little (if nothing else)... no indication that Robert himself was using modern technology as such (and as disapproving as he may have been of technology, he probably didn't want to rob his son of some 'exposure' to it... but he probably restricted its use).

Luddeite-ish yes. They 'tolerated' technology and minimized its presence for the sake of their kids, but not fully embraced it.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't have a rating for this yet. I had to wake up VERY early and I'm still groggy.

With the discussion between Seven and Raffi about Starfleet, I can't tell if that was to address why Seven hadn't joined Starfleet after VOY, setting her up to join Starfleet in PIC, or both? If it's both, they might be setting it up so that everyone is on a Starfleet ship in Season 3. Keeping them all together in one place. At the beginning of Season 2, the characters were all pretty spread out, until this event brought most of them back together.

Picard blaming himself for his mother's death has to be a major part of what drove him out to the stars. He wanted to get as far away from home as possible because it was too painful for him.

The scene with his mother in "Where No One Has Gone Before" always felt a bit too surreal, even for the bizarreness they were dealing with. And her encouraging him to go into space seems like encouraging him to get away from his father and brother. It also adds to when a manifestation of his father tells him in "Tapestry", that joining Starfleet (i.e. "running away") left him dead before his time.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I didn't really see any evidence of technology in Chateau Picard in the flashbacks. I think they were always a luddite-ish family.

We haven't seen so far what Chateau Picard was like during the 23rd century, before their marriage

Think it wouldn't be a problem to remove most of the tech on a whim.

 

[Deks]

Why do people think Elnor has a mobile emitter exactly? He never left La Sirena, and when Jurati turns him off, we don't see anything fall to the floor. Seems more like her tentacle thing just touched the hologram and disrupted it.

He had on his left arm something that looked very much like the Doctor's mobile emitter... and he looked at it when he mentioned to Raffi he's a hologram.

 

[gvn2fly]

I don't have a rating for this yet. I had to wake up VERY early and I'm still groggy.

With the discussion between Seven and Raffi about Starfleet, I can't tell if that was to address why Seven hadn't joined Starfleet after VOY, setting her up to join Starfleet in PIC, or both? If it's both, they might be setting it up so that everyone is on a Starfleet ship in Season 3. Keeping them all together in one place. At the beginning of Season 2, the characters were all pretty spread out, until this event brought most of them back together.

Just wanted to add that one of my criticisms about the show in general was that they never addressed what happened to Seven between Voyager and Picard beyond her being in the rangers so I was very happy to see this touched on in 2.9.

 

[eschaton]

He had on his left arm something that looked very much like the Doctor's mobile emitter... and he looked at it when he mentioned to Raffi he's a hologram.

But again, when he goes poof, it doesn't clatter to the floor. And when he was created, it popped into existence too.

It might have been meant as some sort of callback, but it's clearly not a mobile emitter, since a mobile emitter would have been made out of real matter.

 

[Campe]

Why do people think Elnor has a mobile emitter exactly? He never left La Sirena, and when Jurati turns him off, we don't see anything fall to the floor. Seems more like her tentacle thing just touched the hologram and disrupted it.

There was a device on his arm that looked an awful lot like a mobile emitter. It can be seen fairly well at 30:49.

 

[thribs]

Now they just need to address Chakotay

 

[Alexander Corrino]

I would also expect to see some resolution to the Laris/relationship plot from the premiere

There is a scene that's still missing from the trailers, it's a short moment where Laris tells Jean-Luc that he is "gonna have to let go". That wasn't in the show so far. And Orla Brady has also said that Laris will be back and they won't leave things where they were in the pilot episode because "that would be bad". While it IS possible that Laris is in season 3 (John de Lancie remarked that they were shooting scenes for season 3 alongside scenes for season 2, and I suspect the scenes they shot were Château Picard scenes since most of season 3 seems to be starship-bound and I guess they could keep the Stargazer set around for much longer than an actual vineyard location), I don't think the resolution to this particular plot point will wait until then because of the scene I mentioned above that was in one of the trailers. It would be weird if they put a season 3 scene into a season 2 trailer.

 

[brandnewfan]

‘Okay, not terrible’… but you gave it a 3……… That’s ‘Move Along Home’ territory……

I'm trying to be fair in my words, since many people here aren't very objective and salivate over anything just because it's Star Trek, and they'll knock you down if you try to say the show isn't outstanding. In truth, I did find this one very middle of the road, but on the "lower end" of middle of the road...hence the 3 vote. It wasn't worthy of a 5, IMO. What's the true differences between a 2, 3, 4, etc anyway? And since we're policing people's votes, anyone voting anything above a 6 for this episode (or any episode after the first two stellar episodes this season) are probably very easy to entertain. Not trying to be mean, but since you brought it up

It's as if the writers had a very basic idea for the season, without a clear outline or objective in mind, and just threw things against a wall hoping something would stick. It's not my fault that much of it just isn't GREAT writing. I'm not going to say it's excellent just because it's new Star Trek and just because it's Jean-Luc or just to appease other fans. I was ecstatic to learn we'd be getting a new show with Picard, and I mostly enjoyed the first season. Is it some fandom crime to point out when the show takes a bad turn or churns out lazy writing?

And for the record, Move Along Home would be a 1, not a 3.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm trying to be fair in my words, since many people here aren't very objective and salivate over anything just because it's Star Trek, and they'll knock you down if you try to say the show isn't outstanding. In truth, I did find this one very middle of the road, but on the "lower end" of middle of the road...hence the 3 vote. It wasn't worthy of a 5, IMO. What's the true differences between a 2, 3, 4, etc anyway? And since we're policing people's votes, anyone voting anything above a 6 for this episode (or any episode after the first two stellar episodes this season) are probably very easy to entertain. Not trying to be mean, but since you brought it up

It's as if the writers had a very basic idea for the season, without a clear outline or objective in mind, and just threw things against a wall hoping something would stick. It's not my fault that much of it just isn't GREAT writing. I'm not going to say it's excellent just because it's new Star Trek and just because it's Jean-Luc or just to appease other fans. I was ecstatic to learn we'd be getting a new show with Picard, and I mostly enjoyed the first season. Is it some fandom crime to point out when the show takes a bad turn or churns out lazy writing?

And for the record, Move Along Home would be a 1, not a 3.

Generally, anything above a 5 means leaning in a positive direction, and anything below a 5 means leaning in a negative direction. So, "It's okay, I give it a 3" sounds odd. It throws people off. It's like a movie critic saying "Not bad, I give it one star!"

 

[Deks]

But again, when he goes poof, it doesn't clatter to the floor. And when he was created, it popped into existence too.

It might have been meant as some sort of callback, but it's clearly not a mobile emitter, since a mobile emitter would have been made out of real matter.

Its an oddity to be sure though.
Elnor was his by the tentacle at the area where the emitter should have been, but he simply fizzled out and nothing remained.

I don't get what the point of that thing was in that case if it wasn't the emitter... why make one holographically?
Also, the Confederation wouldn't have that technology since it came from 29th century UFP timeship Aeon.

 

[StarMan]

Janeway never ceases to disappoint.

Janeway: "Welcome aboard, Tuvix"

several days later

Holo-Doc: "We can bring back Neelix and Tuvok."

Janeway: "About that whole existence thing, Tuvix... "

----------------

Janeway: "Seven, I will resign my commission if they don't let you into The Academy."

several days later

SF Command: "Congratulations, ADMIRAL Janeway."

Janeway: "About that whole resignation thing, Seven ..."

 

[Gov Kodos]

To me, how Gene envisioned the future originally, Starflee's attitudes (or at least how they ended up portrayed in live action) towards AI and cybernetics never made sense to me.
You'd think that such an organisation would have a more open view about it and know that 'isolated incidents' are hardly representative of how ALL cybernetic or AI lifeforms would behave.

We know that Data's rights were in question in early TNG though... but that could be more because SF and UFP didn't have any sufficiently advanced cybernetic lifeforms part of their organisations to warrant exension of rights... though you'd think such an extension would be AUTOMATIC. If a lifeform is sentient, then it should be treated like anyone else would... whether its biological or technological in nature is besides the point.

And also, didn't UFP encounter cybernetic lifeforms before the 24th century?
Mind you writer inconsistency is heavy here... and to me, the negative outlook of SF towards AI never made much sense. They should have been portrayed as more open to it.

Trek writers from TOS forward have had an old school SF fear of computers or any artificial enhancement because it wasn't celebrating human exceptionalism. The dystopic world crushing machines and computers and beings like the Borg are the fear of that exceptionalism being challenged.

I hope the speech from Soji at the start is part of changing that Luddite attitude in Trek. Synthetics like her, Borg or the like of Seven, or genetically enhanced people like Bashir are not a threat to humanity.

It would be nice if the writers could tie this back to Q introducing Picard to the Borg when Picard made that speech from Shakespeare to seeing what Q meant about the wonders of the galaxy in a new light. That culminating in the finale and Picard choosing to help the Borg Queen instead of blowing up the ship.

Until next season when they have to blow up another alien boogie-thing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

While I would love to see Seven captain the Stargazer (I would definitely watch a Seven-Stargazer spin off!), I am not sure it would make sense since Seven is not even in Starfleet. To captain a starship, you have to rise through the ranks of Starfleet. It normally takes years. It would be very unrealistic for Starfleet to accept Seven into Starfleet at the rank commensurate with the captain of a starship.

When someone goes back in time to fix the timeline, it's impossible to get the original timeline back, but it's just nice to get something back that looks familiar where evil doesn't thrive.

The new 2401, could be one where Seven joined Star Fleet "normally" 20 years ago after Voyager took her "home" to the Alpha quadrant.

This means a few things...

1. Our Seven's consciousness arriving in the 25th century will displace and murder the native Seven of Nine who is the Captain of the Stargazer.

2. If Seven want's to take the ship, she has to lie about who she is and where she is from, because she is a lying foreigner stealing a life she did not earn.

3. They either all steal lives, pretending that this is their universe/present, or they are all honest and admit that they are from somewhere else, and go to time jail.

4. If they admit to being from a parallel timeline, there might be an immigration and naturalization process, where steps can be made that Seven and her friends can earn the right to legally assume the lives of their displaced doppelgangers.

5. Picard went though all this more than once, but definitely after the movie First Contact.

...

Alternately Fenris Ranger Ranks may be Transferable to Federation Ranks like How T'Pol's Vulcan Rank was transferable and allowed her to assume command of Enterprise when Archer was injured in Broken Bow, because Subcommander outranks Commander somehow.

 

[eschaton]

I don't get what the point of that thing was in that case if it wasn't the emitter... why make one holographically?

I think it was a goof by the prop department? Regardless, it's clearly not a real mobile emitter. We know from Season 1 that Rios's holos could appear anywhere in the ship without one, meaning Holo-Elnor didn't need it.

Also, the Confederation wouldn't have that technology since it came from 29th century UFP timeship Aeon.

Butterflies dude. They could have easily conquered someone with more advanced tech. La Sirena has a cloaking device, after all, despite the Federation still not using them in the main timeline.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I'm trying to be fair in my words, since many people here aren't very objective and salivate over anything just because it's Star Trek...

Wow, you are new.