Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Ugh, I just typed a LONG post and lost it! F***!

I'll try to post my thoughts... again... later, so I'll just say this episode was much better than the previous handful of offerings, and mostly worked for me.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Did Jurati just teach the Queen empathy? The Queen just got Boim'd. Too bad Jurati couldn't rescue any Borg babies.

I totally want fan art of Jurati as Ripley carrying Borg babies and a big phaser rifle.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

10. Fuck the haters.

I only hope episode 10 will not be any kind of letdown after this setup.

 

[eschaton]

10. Fuck the haters.

I only hope episode 10 will not be any kind of letdown after this setup.

There really isn't that much left is there? I mean, we know when they "solve" things Q will talk with Picard in a more open fashion, zap them back to their present just before the Stargazer went kablooey, and Picard will make a different decision.

The only real questions are how the heck Soong is going to fuck up the launch without having Borgified special forces helping him, what the "two Renees" thing means, and how the hell Renee's discovery led to the Federation.

 

[Roald]

This one was okay. Not great, but not terrible. Very middle of the road.

I'm excited for next week to see how it all concludes.

‘Okay, not terrible’… but you gave it a 3……… That’s ‘Move Along Home’ territory……

 

[Deks]

Seems rather archaic to just lock her in a room. I would have got help. Like they said, they’re only a transport away.

If I'm not mistaken, Picard's father wasn't too happy about Jean Luc going into Starfleet. I was given an impression his attitudes towards space exploration, discovery and technology overall may have been very restrained... Robert's too.
Both Jean Luc's father and Robert seemed to have prioritized older things and hadn't really been too mad about living in the technologically advanced setting... they 'tolerated' it... but perhaps not fully embraced it.

Although, its also possible they did seek out help, but none was available for her condition, so instead of keeping her in a facility, they opted to have her at home.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

There really isn't that much left is there? I mean, we know when they "solve" things Q will talk with Picard in a more open fashion, zap them back to their present just before the Stargazer went kablooey, and Picard will make a different decision.

The only real questions are how the heck Soong is going to fuck up the launch without having Borgified special forces helping him, what the "two Renees" thing means, and how the hell Renee's discovery led to the Federation.

We think we know what's gonna happen, and it could go just that way. At this point it sure looks like Jurati is the goth BQ, but there's still the line "look up Picard" that's got me wondering. I posited that it might be...

Spoiler: Who is it?

Tallinn as the BQ we saw on the Stargazer. Maybe she still gets to the ship and takes the BQ part away from Jurati to save her

It should be well done with Frakes directing at least.

 

[thribs]

I think Terry is back as showrunner for the final episode rather than Goldsman so it should be better at least

 

[Deks]

Star Fleet has always had a distrust of machines/cybernetics/computers. Be it M-5, Data, or now Seven, there is a well spring of distrust in the system for cybernetics. I can believe a lot of folks saw Seven as more Borg than human since she was raised by them, more or less, unlike Picard who was just abducted but was seen as human. Seven has a host of implants that make her much more Borg than a short timer like Picard. Seven fell into the same group as all those Japanese Americans shipped off to concentration camps. She didn't count as one of Team Humanity.

To me, how Gene envisioned the future originally, Starflee's attitudes (or at least how they ended up portrayed in live action) towards AI and cybernetics never made sense to me.
You'd think that such an organisation would have a more open view about it and know that 'isolated incidents' are hardly representative of how ALL cybernetic or AI lifeforms would behave.

We know that Data's rights were in question in early TNG though... but that could be more because SF and UFP didn't have any sufficiently advanced cybernetic lifeforms part of their organisations to warrant exension of rights... though you'd think such an extension would be AUTOMATIC. If a lifeform is sentient, then it should be treated like anyone else would... whether its biological or technological in nature is besides the point.

And also, didn't UFP encounter cybernetic lifeforms before the 24th century?
Mind you writer inconsistency is heavy here... and to me, the negative outlook of SF towards AI never made much sense. They should have been portrayed as more open to it.

 

[eschaton]

We think we know what's gonna happen, and it could go just that way. At this point it sure looks like Jurati is the goth BQ, but there's still the line "look up Picard" that's got me wondering. I posited that it might be...

Spoiler: Who is it?

Tallinn as the BQ we saw on the Stargazer. Maybe she still gets to the ship and takes the BQ part away from Jurati to save her

It should be well done with Frakes directing at least.

That would be an awful twist. As I said, I hate "twist" based storytelling. The best stories - the ones we have told for centuries - are like Romeo and Juliet, where we not only know the ending because it's so widely known in pop culture, but because it's basically spoiled at the beginning. Great stories are not about "twists" - they're about often predictable, yet satisfying conclusions.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

If I'm not mistaken, Picard's father wasn't too happy about Jean Luc going into Starfleet. I was given an impression his attitudes towards space exploration, discovery and technology overall may have been very restrained... Robert's too.
Both Jean Luc's father and Robert seemed to have prioritized older things and hadn't really been too mad about living in the technologically advanced setting... they 'tolerated' it... but perhaps not fully embraced it.

Although, its also possible they did seek out help, but none was available for her condition, so instead of keeping her in a facility, they opted to have her at home.

Not having watched the episode for now, because it's not released on Prime until tomorror, so i don't know about any eventual revelations in it.

But i could imagine that Maurice Picard's aversion to modern technology has more to do with the mental illness of his wife than being a luddite because of his upbringing

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Just a quickie for my predictions:

- Jurati will be the Masked BQ, and La Sirena will be the start of that Borg ship contraption. I'd totally watch a show about their adventures: Borgati: Second Chances, or The Borg Connection: How To Make Friends And Be Less Lonely! Or would it be The Borg Commune?
- The two Renées: Tallinn will take the place of the Renee who dies and die in her place to protect her? One of the Renées could still become the BQ, what with the "look up"
- Seven will now somehow join Starfleet, if only to keep her in season 3, oh, and also she's lost her ship. Not sure I'm buying it, but ok.
- Rios will stay in the 24th century, he'll somehow be forced to in order to help the others escape or something like that.

 

[gvn2fly]

There really isn't that much left is there? I mean, we know when they "solve" things Q will talk with Picard in a more open fashion, zap them back to their present just before the Stargazer went kablooey, and Picard will make a different decision.

I would also expect to see some resolution to the Laris/relationship plot from the premiere unless they are saving that for next season or saving it for Beverly next season. Still, I think He needs some kind of closure with Laris.

 

[Charles Phipps]

If you have an issue with how easily Jurati convinced the Borg Queen, you can just presume she was steadily integrating her own thought routines into a combined consciousness, which meant Queenie was becoming more and more Jurati as time passed.

I suggested that the Queen is used to crushing everyone with her billions of slave minds but she's now facing someone on a one to one basis.

 

[Deks]

So unless Q suddenly gets his powers back and can snap them all home, looks like they'll be stuck in 2024. Hope they don't die in nuclear fire when WWIII starts.

Not necessarily.
Talin probably has access to a ship which she can give the team. And with Q's loss of powers, maybe there will be a reconciliation between him and Picard which will result in them using Q for his knowledge to triangulate temporal vectors so they can go back to the 24th century (and with this, Q's powers could end up being fully restored... or he will die/move on as they return).

Q may be powerless but he still has ridiculous amount of knowledge/expertise that vastly surpass any regular biological being an would easily make up for the loss of his powers by using even primitive technology... we can't forget that.

 

[gvn2fly]

I don’t know if it was just me, but this episode seemed to have some of the “energy” from the early episodes back.

 

[gweeps]

Confederation has mobile emitter tech, interesting,

Was great to see that again.

 

[Deks]

Not having watched the episode for now, because it's not released on Prime until tomorror, so i don't know about any eventual revelations in it.

But i could imagine that Maurice Picard's aversion to modern technology has more to do with the mental illness of his wife than being a luddite because of his upbringing

I actually intended on mentioning the word 'luddite'... but was going to use 'mild' ahead of it.... but opted against it because they still HAD access to some modern technology. So, tolerated yes, but not fully embraced.

At any rate, you could be correct that Maurice's (and Robert's) aversion to modern technology could be connected to the loss of his wife... but that's just 1 possibility, and we may not know for certain.

 

[SeamusShameless]

With it looking more and more likely Rios won't be returning to the 25th century and all of Raffi's talk about how Seven could have been a captain, I wonder if maybe Seven will end up commanding the Stargazer.

 

[eschaton]

I didn't really see any evidence of technology in Chateau Picard in the flashbacks. I think they were always a luddite-ish family.