On a similar note, we should have had a flashback to Raffi guilting Elnor into starting the academy in the premiere or at least before he died...or if not the entire flashback at least a reference to it. Why did we have to wait 5 weeks to find that she blamed herself..it would have been stronger if we knew that at the time we saw her react to his death. I wouldn't be surprised if that scene was originally going to be elsewhere in the season as they have already moved stuff between episodes (some of the Agnes/BQ scenes that appeared in 2.5 were actually filmed for and meant to appear in 2.7).
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On a similar note, we should have had a flashback to Raffi guilting Elnor into starting the academy in the premiere or at least before he died...or if not the entire flashback at least a reference to it. Why did we have to wait 5 weeks to find that she blamed herself..it would have been stronger if we knew that at the time we saw her react to his death. I wouldn't be surprised if that scene was originally going to be elsewhere in the season as they have already moved stuff between episodes (some of the Agnes/BQ scenes that appeared in 2.5 were actually filmed for and meant to appear in 2.7).
Maybe they're right and it's just dimension jumping?The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is not possible.
She also altered the timeline to save her crew (the ones she liked, anyway - bad luck to Carey and co).
To be fair, that was a future, more jaded Janeway. And she paid for her crimes.
Yeah what Admiral Janeway did is a bit beyond 'bold adventurous spirit' and there's no way I'd let her be captain of the Stargazer afterwards either!
Now that was a far stronger, tighter and more assured episode! Hopefully the fans won’t be in hyperbolic meltdown as they were last week (“worst episode of the entire franchise!” “Star Trek is dead” etc etc). Guinan felt truly like Guinan, John de Lancie is on fire, Brent Spiner continues to give his finest performance in 35 years of Trekking, and the Agnes plot is possibly the freshest and most innovative use of the Borg since “I Borg”. The season’s theme also finally came into cohesive focus: being “stuck in the past”.; figuratively and literally. I have high hopes for the final two episodes. Bring it.
Haters are gonna hate no matter what. Angry Joe trashed it. Gave it a 1/10. I am sure Nitpicking Nerd will trash it too when he posts his rant review.
No. She just became a senior admiral of Starfleet, able to order Jean Luc Picard around.
No issues there.
Too late.
It's amusing thus far to watch the extreme swing in fan response from "Greatest Star Trek ever! Star Trek is back!" early on to now with the "Ho, hum, so much filler. Why does Star Trek suck so bad?"
I work with teens and I've seen smaller mood swings that that during a depressive episode.
Bribe Angry Joe with a Sloppy Joe and maybe he'll give it a 2.
You can tell some people just genuinely don’t WANT to like it. Same with Discovery. Something about it mortally offends them, so they delight in tearing it to pieces (as you can do with any piece of work, really). Which means, in a perverse way they actually ARE enjoying it, by taking so much pleasure from hating it. Which is…quite funny really.
Schadenfreude is a powerful motivator.
Different Janeway. Starfleet doesn't punish officers for the sins of their future selves, especially if they were from a future that could never happen.
I imagine that the content of the episodes probably has something to do with the dramatic shift in opinions.
Personally I thought the first two episodes this season were more entertaining than anything from the last two seasons of Discovery and all of Prodigy, and it's quickly slipped down to a point where I can't really argue with any of the complaints I've seen online. I still like it, but the production quality and actors are doing a lot of heavy lifting to make up for the weakness of the plot. I wouldn't really recommend this season to anyone.
Well, not 24th Century Starfleet.
I guess this is just me. I don't recommend anything to anyone. Let them make up their own mind. And I agree the content has impacted opinions, naturally. It's the seismic shift of the quickness of people to turn on the season that is so incredibly amusing.
But, the fan reaction-that's where the real entertainment is out. *eats whole bag of popcorn*
Braxton got a raw deal.
If you look at the season overall, it's basically all fan service relying entirely on our prior knowledge of most of the characters and their earlier, far more interesting adventures. The writers don't put the characters in new situations, or give us new insights into who they are, or do anything to earn the attention of new viewers. What would you think of Picard or Q - two huge characters in the overall franchise - if this season of Picard was all you had to go on?
Given that they're just bringing back the old crew for season three, I'd say it will be more of the same next time around.
I think the Elnor flashback would have worked where it was if Seven's accusation of Raffi being manipulative had initially come earlier (like around the time they were rescuing Rios, for example). Then we have some basis for the friction between them instead of spending five episodes wondering if they even like each other, and Raffi's confession of why she's particularly upset about Elnor brings more threads together. It's her confessing both her fault and her guilt, but at the same time, we're given enough to extrapolate why she pushed him so hard: Elnor was going to leave for the same reason Seven ostensibly did, to go off and do the vigilante thing out in the dangerous reaches of non-Federation space. It also possibly gives some insight as to why Seven felt she had to keep moving and why Raffi was getting snippy about "commitment issues"; Seven's relationship with Bjayzl was nothing but manipulation, and if she identified that tendency in Raffi, she'd definitely want some space to rethink things. And, to credit the writers, all of that is still there, but as it's presented, the "reveal" feels less character progression and more like an infodump.
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They had a long and turbulent history and I kind of want to know more.
I think that whoever has been paid an awful lot of money to write and produce this series must have been chosen for a very good reason, for reasons that we may never know or even understand if they were explained to us mere Star Trek fans. Who am I, or even who are we, to critique their multi million dollar Amazon Prime worthy pet Star Trek series grand master plan? As long as we ‘rag tag old school fans’ enjoy the ride (it’s a 21st century ‘wagon train to the stars’ after all!) and the comforting familiarity of legacy characters, I think that we can’t complain really? If we *do* complain too much though then we would be considered as out of touch fans and therefore told that we are too old for Star Trek now - it is made for a ‘New Generation’ of fans that we will never understand or relate to, we missed the passing of the book. This is not ‘our’ Trek…?
I’m not being a bitter old man/fan btw, I love Picard and the characters are fantastic, new and old alike. It does however feel like someone is not comfortable to, or doesn’t know how to write this show as ‘Star Trek’ yet they are still doing their very best (a good attempt, though misguided) to write it as a standard real world drama/action/fantasy show instead. Maybe I’m just having a Vulcan Spock/Human Spock battle in my own mind, trying to explain to myself out loud why this whole season so far (only two episode left as well!) is a two part episode spread out so sooooo thinly to make ten episodes? This is a missed opportunity to make ten unique and memorable hour long TNG based Star Trek episodes that would live on in the minds of Star Trek forever as part of an over half century legacy, like some of the episodes from the 60’s (and 80’s) still do stand up in pop culture today. Who is missing a boat here? Me, us or them? This episode and this series will probably (and sadly) not attract new fans to the franchise, so why are they not pushing for this and developing a series that would either expand the fan base or consolidate and unite it.
If this season is all set in the Q continuum though as I predicted a while back, I will eat my hat and kiss T’Bonz ass. Everything would then make sense and all of my critiques are retracted… hindsight is for Kings (or Borg Queens).
I also have a serious question about one of the production companies involved. It used to be Paramount Pictures and then in the late ‘naughties’ Bad Robot.
What is this Weed production company though?
Does this mean that Picard is produced by people intoxicated on illegal drugs? Is the series funded by profits from narcotics production and sales? Weed is illegal in my country and very much frowned upon by the general populace.
Was Picard season 2 written by a group of stoners in a writers room full of bongs? This would explain the Jurati musical scene and also Picard’s trip in to his own subconsciousness?
I’m starting to prefer mycelial networks as a source of creativity tbh…
Other questions:
- Do the FBI/police really have off the grid ‘basement’ processing centers where they can take people/prisoners without legal representation or any form of support for interrogations and threaten their interogaee’s (is that even a word?!) with the fact that no one knows that they are there, therefore they can be disappeared or harmed if they do not cooperate?
- Was the basement full of unexplained FBI case files based on the X Files TV series similar to where Mulder was based? Ghosts/Poltergeists/spontaneous human combustion/Satanic cults/Aliens/Chupacabra/Loch Ness monster/Yeti in the underground/Cybermen/Daleks/Heamovores?
I wan’t to believe…
Did they miss the perfect opportunity to make a Star Trek/X Files crossover with this episode? Old Mulder would have fit perfectly in to these scenes.
- Jurati was eating car and phone batteries, lithium ion battery acid to be precise. Was this an allegory for her character being high on ‘acid’. This would explain the character’s mental state and behavior such as smashing bar windows and jumping on cars.. and of course also her musical number in the previous episode with her other persona. Did the man with the ginger beard die of a drug (acid?) over dose? Surely he would have been made in to a Locutus type figure or assimilated slowly in to a drone?
Picard: Weed production company
Dicovery: ‘Mycelial’ network production company
Strange New World’s: ???????
I’m not being a bitter old man/fan btw, I love Picard and the characters are fantastic, new and old alike. It does however feel like someone is not comfortable to, or doesn’t know how to write this show as ‘Star Trek’ yet they are still doing their very best (a good attempt, though misguided) to write it as a standard real world drama/action/fantasy show instead. Maybe I’m just having a Vulcan Spock/Human Spock battle in my own mind, trying to explain to myself out loud why this whole season so far (only two episode left as well!) is a two part episode spread out so sooooo thinly to make ten episodes? This is a missed opportunity to make ten unique and memorable hour long TNG based Star Trek episodes that would live on in the minds of Star Trek forever as part of an over half century legacy, like some of the episodes from the 60’s (and 80’s) still do stand up in pop culture today. Who is missing a boat here? Me, us or them? This episode and this series will probably (and sadly) not attract new fans to the franchise, so why are they not pushing for this and developing a series that would either expand the fan base or consolidate and unite it.
If this season is all set in the Q continuum though as I predicted a while back, I will eat my hat and kiss T’Bonz ass. Everything would then make sense and all of my critiques are retracted… hindsight is for Kings (or Borg Queens).
I also have a serious question about one of the production companies involved. It used to be Paramount Pictures and then in the late ‘naughties’ Bad Robot.
What is this Weed production company though?
Does this mean that Picard is produced by people intoxicated on illegal drugs? Is the series funded by profits from narcotics production and sales? Weed is illegal in my country and very much frowned upon by the general populace.
Was Picard season 2 written by a group of stoners in a writers room full of bongs? This would explain the Jurati musical scene and also Picard’s trip in to his own subconsciousness?
I’m starting to prefer mycelial networks as a source of creativity tbh…
Other questions:
- Do the FBI/police really have off the grid ‘basement’ processing centers where they can take people/prisoners without legal representation or any form of support for interrogations and threaten their interogaee’s (is that even a word?!) with the fact that no one knows that they are there, therefore they can be disappeared or harmed if they do not cooperate?
- Was the basement full of unexplained FBI case files based on the X Files TV series similar to where Mulder was based? Ghosts/Poltergeists/spontaneous human combustion/Satanic cults/Aliens/Chupacabra/Loch Ness monster/Yeti in the underground/Cybermen/Daleks/Heamovores?
I wan’t to believe…
Did they miss the perfect opportunity to make a Star Trek/X Files crossover with this episode? Old Mulder would have fit perfectly in to these scenes.
- Jurati was eating car and phone batteries, lithium ion battery acid to be precise. Was this an allegory for her character being high on ‘acid’. This would explain the character’s mental state and behavior such as smashing bar windows and jumping on cars.. and of course also her musical number in the previous episode with her other persona. Did the man with the ginger beard die of a drug (acid?) over dose? Surely he would have been made in to a Locutus type figure or assimilated slowly in to a drone?
Picard: Weed production company
Dicovery: ‘Mycelial’ network production company
Strange New World’s: ???????
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This episode was LOTS better than last week.
Having said that, I still thought it was pretty mediocre and didn't seem to move the plot along very much. With just two episodes left in the season, they have a lot to pack in.
Having said that, I still thought it was pretty mediocre and didn't seem to move the plot along very much. With just two episodes left in the season, they have a lot to pack in.
In case you are not joking and are serious about this question:What is this Weed production company though?
Does this mean that Picard is produced by people intoxicated on illegal drugs? Is the series funded by profits from narcotics production and sales? Weed is illegal in my country and very much frowned upon by the general populace.
Was Picard season 2 written by a group of stoners in a writers room full of bongs? This would explain the Jurati musical scene and also Picard’s trip in to his own subconsciousness?
Weed Road Production company is Akiva Goldsman's company.
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