Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

This is the point I make when people say wait to see how it plays out or blame the serialized format. There are so many good serialized shows out there, and they don't make me wait until the end of the season to make sense or to come together. Most of the time, each week's episodes can also stand on their own even though they are heavily serialized. I just finished a rewatch binge of Better Call Saul season 5. It was 10 episodes, had multiple plotlines, great character development, didn't have to have a 30 minute episode because they couldn't come up with enough plot, and didn't have any of the issues something like Picard has.

But, I'm not watching those shows. So I have no expectations from them. Telling me I should expect better is rather poor advice when I don't have that experience. I watched Daredevil and it slumped, three times. I watched Discovery and it slumped. I watched Mandalorian and it slumped hard.

My experience =slumps. Haven't watch Better Call Saul, or Breaking Bad or the Expanse and have little desire to do so. As far as subject matter goes the first two are painfully uninteresting and the last one I prefer to start the books first and someday get to it.

Maybe I'm completely nuts (probably) but I don't sit there and go "oh, serialized? Must grip me throughout." Mileage will vary.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But, I'm not watching those shows. So I have no expectations from them. Telling me I should expect better is rather poor advice when I don't have that experience. I watched Daredevil and it slumped, three times. I watched Discovery and it slumped. I watched Mandalorian and it slumped hard.

My experience =slumps. Haven't watch Better Call Saul, or Breaking Bad or the Expanse and have little desire to do so. As far as subject matter goes the first two are painfully uninteresting and the last one I prefer to start the books first and someday get to it.

Maybe I'm completely nuts (probably) but I don't sit there and go "oh, serialized? Must grip me throughout." Mileage will vary.

Are you open to live theatre?

 

[Jayson1]

You know I think maybe they should have just made this season Star Trek's version of The Terminator with Jurati as the Borg Queen as the Terminator going around turning people into Borg Drones in a effort to hunt down and kill Picard's ancestor.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You know I think maybe they should have just made this season Star Trek's version of The Terminator with Jurati as the Borg Queen as the Terminator going around turning people into Borg Drones in a effort to hunt down and kill Picard's ancestor.

It still might.

 

[Jayson1]

I think it actually would be a fun story if repetitive of course. Hell I would have one episode end with a Borg Cube showing up at the end of a episode and hovers over LA like in Independence Day. Picard ends up giving a rousing speech that inspires us modern humans to put aside our differences to fight the Borg. Fight happens and Borg are defeated except Jurati who has to stay the Queen in order to free them in the future. Modern humans momentary peace ends and old fighting starts back up but Reene is inspired and decides to pilot the Europa mission which was the timeline change that had to be restored. The Timeship captain erases humans memories of the Borg even being their except for Reene's memories.

 

[Lord Exor]

I'm still really confused over who the main antagonist is supposed to be this season.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm still really confused over who the main antagonist is supposed to be this season.

Time

 

[fireproof78]

I'm still really confused over who the main antagonist is supposed to be this season.

Time is. The first teaser showed that. Painfully so.

 

[Lord Exor]

Time is a theme here, not an antagonist. It isn't in active opposition to anyone, and if it is, then the show hasn't yet framed it as such. Q manipulated time, and now our protagonists are using time to repair the damage; but Picard isn't witnessed expressing vexation at the ephemerality of life and his own inexorable march toward death. It isn't troubling him in a way that's palpable to the audience. It may be bothering Q, but in that case it's a motivation for his actions, not an antagonistic force.

 

[fireproof78]

Time is a theme here, not an antagonist. It isn't in active opposition to anyone, and if it is, then the show hasn't yet framed it as such. Q manipulated time, and now our protagonists are using time to repair the damage; but Picard isn't witnessed expressing vexation at the ephemerality of life and his own inexorable march toward death. It isn't troubling him in a way that's palpable to the audience. It may be bothering Q, but in that case it's a motivation for his actions, not an antagonistic force.

It appears to be in the way of something.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It appears to be in the way of something.

It's the fire in which we burn.

 

[Gov Kodos]

They should find out to prevent the confederate future they need to let WW3/Eugenics war happen. Soong and his daughter are the catalyst of it all. The business with Rene was just a distraction by the Borg Queen because she wants her future, the Borg destroyed prevented, but also the opportunity to take over Earth before they get started much like First Contact. That would be fun.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the antagonist is Picard's inability to truly fall in love so it's the wall he has built inside him that is what the main villain is. Well that and Jurati and the Borg Queen.

 

[Campe]

Remember that the BQ on Stargazer asked for a truce and stunned all of the security guards. She didn’t kill anyone. If it is Jurati (and unless they pull a last minute switcheroo, it likely will be), I’m not convinced she’s actually a villain. Maybe Jurati/BQ really is interested in a truce and what seemed to be her assimilating the ship was a misunderstanding. Picard ended up killing himself and everyone else as opposed to trusting. Perhaps that led to the Borg being absolutely relentless in assimilating the galaxy. I think the point of Q’s trial here is trying to show that sometimes we need to listen to each other, even if on the surface we see nothing but the things we despise.

It would be a rather timely message.

 

[gvn2fly]

According to IMDB episode 2.8 is co-written by Cindy Appel and Kirsten Beyer. Cindy Appel wrote episodes 2.5 and 2.6. Kirsten Beyer's last two Star Trek writing credits are Stardust City Rag back in season 1 and Discovery's Unification part 3.

 

[Lord Exor]

Remember that the BQ on Stargazer asked for a truce and stunned all of the security guards. She didn’t kill anyone. If it is Jurati (and unless they pull a last minute switcheroo, it likely will be), I’m not convinced she’s actually a villain. Maybe Jurati/BQ really is interested in a truce and what seemed to be her assimilating the ship was a misunderstanding. Picard ended up killing himself and everyone else as opposed to trusting. Perhaps that led to the Borg being absolutely relentless in assimilating the galaxy. I think the point of Q’s trial here is trying to show that sometimes we need to listen to each other, even if on the surface we see nothing but the things we despise.

It would be a rather timely message.

I don't doubt that Jurati herself isn't villainous, but her body remains under the control of the Borg Queen. There's a trailer scene involving the Borg Queen holding a knife of some kind that has yet to air, so I surmise there's going to be a mental showdown between the two characters that plays out "physically" on screen. There aren't any signs that the Borg Queen we're familiar with is interested in burying the hatchet.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I don't doubt that Jurati herself isn't villainous, but her body remains under the control of the Borg Queen. There's a trailer scene involving the Borg Queen holding a knife of some kind that has yet to air, so I surmise there's going to be a mental showdown between the two characters that plays out "physically" on screen. There aren't any signs that the Borg Queen we're familiar with is interested in burying the hatchet.

She murdered Bruce Maddox.

 

[Lord Exor]

That was a false Maddox, it's okay.

 

[Campe]

I don't doubt that Jurati herself isn't villainous, but her body remains under the control of the Borg Queen. There's a trailer scene involving the Borg Queen holding a knife of some kind that has yet to air, so I surmise there's going to be a mental showdown between the two characters that plays out "physically" on screen. There aren't any signs that the Borg Queen we're familiar with is interested in burying the hatchet.

Jurati has beaten the BQ in a battle of brain power before. Perhaps a piece Agnes’ humanity survives assimilation and that ends up being the lynchpin needed to make an ally of the Borg.

She murdered Bruce Maddox.

But it wasn’t Brian Brophy so WTF cares?

 

[Tuskin38]

She murdered Bruce Maddox.

Under cohesion from an outside alien influence.