No Soongs this week!!!
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One might say it's been a Soongless musical.
Too Soong.
Q only changed to his “old” appearance after encountering old Picard in The Star Gazer. He looks old in the 21st Century, so he would seems to be Q post-The Star Gazer/Penance.
Had a wild theory that's probably not original and/or cliché.
What if Picard really wasn't rescued from death at the end of Season 1 and all of this season, and next, are his coming to terms with his life and his death before ascending into a higher plain of existence? I know John de Lancie said he wouldn't be in Season 3, but what if he will be, only in the final scene, a la TNG's 'Tapestry', but this time to comfort Picard that he hasn't anything to worry about in making the transition? Not to become a Q, (although that would be neat confirmation that humanity evolves into them at some point in time (ha ha)) but, as I suggested, to be his guide, or Charon.
Everything we're seeing now is Jean-Luc's wishes, hopes, dreams, fears and regrets about his life and of those he cared for. How would that jib with everything not being shown from his point-of-view? Well, it is. We're seeing it as he would, a spectator. Like a dream that is occasionally lucid. We remember reality when we finally wake up. Or in his case, let go, and actually die.
What if Picard really wasn't rescued from death at the end of Season 1 and all of this season, and next, are his coming to terms with his life and his death before ascending into a higher plain of existence? I know John de Lancie said he wouldn't be in Season 3, but what if he will be, only in the final scene, a la TNG's 'Tapestry', but this time to comfort Picard that he hasn't anything to worry about in making the transition? Not to become a Q, (although that would be neat confirmation that humanity evolves into them at some point in time (ha ha)) but, as I suggested, to be his guide, or Charon.
Everything we're seeing now is Jean-Luc's wishes, hopes, dreams, fears and regrets about his life and of those he cared for. How would that jib with everything not being shown from his point-of-view? Well, it is. We're seeing it as he would, a spectator. Like a dream that is occasionally lucid. We remember reality when we finally wake up. Or in his case, let go, and actually die.
I'm disappointed with this season sofar. It started really well, the first three episodes had me hooked. And then..... it all just feels like it's not going anywhere. I don't feel any real urgency behind any of the danger. Jurati's entire 'half Borg Queen' thing isn't doing it for me.
I'm enjoying the performances, the interaction betweeen characters. Nothing wrong there. Wouldn't mind a bit more John de Lancie. Don't feel Soong needed to be part of the story. But yeah, no. I'm kinda just waiting for this season to reach its end so I know how they fixed this and explain why the hell the Borg even showed up at the beginning of the season. Right now it feels like a plotdevice to get the Borg Queen in on the show. Especially since the Queen looked so different there and none of the characters are even talking about that anymore
I'm enjoying the performances, the interaction betweeen characters. Nothing wrong there. Wouldn't mind a bit more John de Lancie. Don't feel Soong needed to be part of the story. But yeah, no. I'm kinda just waiting for this season to reach its end so I know how they fixed this and explain why the hell the Borg even showed up at the beginning of the season. Right now it feels like a plotdevice to get the Borg Queen in on the show. Especially since the Queen looked so different there and none of the characters are even talking about that anymore
I think the Borg showing up at the beginning will be THE most vital element of the season…. I’m sure the final 3 episodes will have an extremely satisfying resolution, which will make you want to rewatch the entire season and reevaluate it..! Have faith..!
I have hope. Not faith. Maybe they'll pull it off. We'll see. I'm the kinda guy that always judges a season of a show like this at the end, so I'm reservering judgement. But my hope is little.
Biggest drop in enthusiasm I've had for a NuTrek season yet. While cautiously optimistic, I really thought after episode one we might have been on track for a solid season.
Just push through and watch it to get it over with. Don't worry. Soong SNW will be here.
If The Empire Strikes Back had been broken into 10 episodes, we’d have an awesome opening (the Battle of Hoth) and an awesome ending (‘I am your father’), but there would probably be 4 to 8 episodes in between that’d play out very slowly, with very little happening… The story of PIC S2 does not lend itself well for a 10-part episode series, but ultimately, there will be a pay off..!
I still look forward to it every week. The first five episodes were weirdly made available on Prime at 9:03pm on Friday night. Now they seem to be around 8:30pm.
but yeah then I sit there and play with my phone. And sigh. Lots of sighing.
A couple of things I'm wondering:
1) If by the end of this season, the Borg will finally have been dealt with for good somehow (since in Disco in the 32nd century humanity is still alive and well and the Borg clearly haven't conquered the AQ by then) whether it's by all of them dying or neutralizing them to the point where they aren't a threat anymore to anyone.
2) Why is Q outright trying to kill Picard in this season? He never hated Picard. He was always toying with him but he himself said that Picard was the closest thing he has to a friend.
1) If by the end of this season, the Borg will finally have been dealt with for good somehow (since in Disco in the 32nd century humanity is still alive and well and the Borg clearly haven't conquered the AQ by then) whether it's by all of them dying or neutralizing them to the point where they aren't a threat anymore to anyone.
2) Why is Q outright trying to kill Picard in this season? He never hated Picard. He was always toying with him but he himself said that Picard was the closest thing he has to a friend.
He isn't trying to kill him (if Jean-Luc's death was his goal he could just have let him die when he blew up the Stargazer, after all... or snap his fingers while he still had his powers). John de Lancie has said that Q is actually trying tp HELP Jean-Luc because he loves him (AND help himself, as de Lancie also said), and I think we'll somehow see that this is what's been happening. Still, Q is clearly "not well", as Jean-Luc put it, that much is clear. Q in his normal "omnipotent trickster state" would NEVER have slapped Jean-Luc.
I see where you are coming from. Also, happy Easter!
Look at this wonderful behind the scenes image:
Source: https://twitter.com/StarTrekOnPPlus/status/1515691558762332167?cxt=HHwWjoCy0abc6IgqAAAA
Source: https://twitter.com/StarTrekOnPPlus/status/1515691558762332167?cxt=HHwWjoCy0abc6IgqAAAA
It's Q's version of texting.
Something about New Trek and Season 2s.
I think those posters here that guessed the masked Borg Queen will turn out to be Jurati may be right. BTW, closed captioning referred to those Borg as “Legion”. Not sure what to make of that.
Well, you'd have Luke meeting Yoda and his training - not exactly nothing. You'd have Han being double crossed by Lando. I maintain that the issue with Picard, and with the modern shows in general, is the framing. One problem I have with Picard is it has several "mystery boxes" that need to be unraveled in 10 episodes. For several episodes now, the show has made little movement in unraveling most of them and the pacing has felt off. I mean we had one 30 minute episode that amounted to Picard telling Renee not to quit. Then what little else happened, like the BQ taking over, or Soon's daughter finding out the truth, didn't even progress in the following episode. You have compelling characters like Seven and Raffi being sidelined or given awkward dialogue. You have things that don't make a lot of sense. Things that are repetitive in 10 episodes (episodes 3 and 7 end with main characters getting arrested)
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