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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

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All the freakin' time. One of the more classic examples:
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Back in the day, "answer songs" were also a thing...another artist would do the soundalike sequel to a popular song, dealing with the same subject from a different point of view.
Most famously Neil Youngs Southern Man which was followed u by Sweet Home Alabama because Skynyrd felt a strange need to defend lynching.
 
I admit at first while watching the episode, the fact that Guinan didn't know Picard kinda bugged me, but after seeing the explanation (Picard and co. coming from an altered timeline where the events of "Time's Arrow" never happened), I'm fine with it. I mean, I think it makes about as much sense as any Trek time travel stories, you know?

I've also seen the argument that, by this logic, the punk on the bus shouldn't have been there either. That didn't bother me because it wasn't really a part of the story like the Guinan thing. It was just meant to be a fun reference to "Star Trek IV" and I didn't take it as anything more than that. :shrug:
 
There is more than enough wealth and resources in the West to solve the problems of everyone in the West, but nothing gets done because the rich are generally sociopathic monsters who lack any empathy.

Eh. I would say a relatively high proportion of corporate CEOs are sociopaths. But most rich people are normal people, psychologically speaking. They're just sheltered from how the non-rich live, and basically abstract them as being non-people.

Again, the problem with the system is not "bad people are at the top." The problem with the system is...the system. Sometimes it provides incentives for the worst kind of people to get into positions of power and abuse it, and sometimes it makes good people look the other way. But it's the fault of the systems, not the individuals meshed within it.
 
Eh. I would say a relatively high proportion of corporate CEOs are sociopaths. But most rich people are normal people, psychologically speaking. They're just sheltered from how the non-rich live, and basically abstract them as being non-people.

Again, the problem with the system is not "bad people are at the top." The problem with the system is...the system. Sometimes it provides incentives for the worst kind of people to get into positions of power and abuse it, and sometimes it makes good people look the other way. But it's the fault of the systems, not the individuals meshed within it.
"Don't hate the player hate the game."
 
The worst was Guinan. She should recognize Picard and she should look like Whoopi Goldberg. What's worst is she didn't even feel like the character at all. I thought for a minute we might have been dealing with ones of Guinan's kids. They just wrote her like a modern present day women. No mysteries feel about her or showing any of the kindness that makes people feel comfortable enough to want to talk about their problems with her. Also she is talking about how humans suck and getting emotional but wasn't she a few decades back hanging out with rich people and Mark Twain and basically enjoying herself which is weird because if she thinks people are bad today, they were much worst back then.

Q is back again and I m curious about what is wrong with him but I guess we are not going to see Q be funny on the show at all which feels like a waste.

I didn't hate the episode like you did, but Guinan really look me out of the episode and probably brings this episode down to a 6 at first viewing for me. She just didn't seem like the same character we see in the future or the character we saw in the 1800s at all. And she's still at the same bar she's going to be in 400 years in the future?

John DeLancie and the writers have already said Q isn't going to be like he was in most of TNG.
 
Just returned from watching this episode. Gave it a 9.

Highlight was...

Seven and Raffi in the bus with the punk. Like Spock and Kirk in TVH. And Jurati is the one to use the colorful metaphors ....;)
 
Why is the lady at the end reading Dixon Hill in a book instead of her phone or a tablet in 2024? Could she possibly be from the same 1980s cult as bus punk? :eek: :lol:
Shorthand. It makes certain we can see the title and name of the author on the cover. Plus, while I have thousands of ebooks, I still love a good physical book. There are no power requirements for it.
 
Let's continue Trek's Borg saturation by having Ito as Guinan witness the assimilation of the El Aurian homeworld in Strange New Worlds and Trek will just handwave this early Fed encounter with the Borg as "classified" the way other continuity mishaps have been handled. Might as well bring in Annie Wersching's Borg Queen too while we're at it :borg: :lol:
Young people still read physical books.
As a young person (ok 38 so maybe not really), I only consider it if I don't have USB battery backup to plug my phone into. Maybe this lady forgot hers. :guffaw:
 
Eh, I usually have a book in my bag for reading. I like e-readers for news, research, and comics/graphic novels, but still prefer print for fiction.
 
Not progressives or progressive ideas per se but the tendency I've encountered in modern Progressives to be incapable of engaging in a discussion with people that disagree with them without devolving into disparaging them.

Oh, we're perfectly capable of engaging in respectful discussions with people with whom we disagree with their legitimate opinions.

The problem is that when someone espouses values that we recognize as fundamentally immoral and illegitimate. Such as supporting the U.S.'s racist immigration laws and authoritarian white supremacist immigration enforcement regime.

More emotional hyperbole. You keep making up things I've never said.

To defend ICE is to defend the U.S.'s concentration camps for immigrants. They're a package deal.

I didn't hate the episode like you did, but Guinan really look me out of the episode and probably brings this episode down to a 6 at first viewing for me. She just didn't seem like the same character we see in the future or the character we saw in the 1800s at all.

She's clearly gone through some shit! Life has beaten her down a bit. People who live for centuries and centuries probably would become radically different people over time in response to their circumstances.

And she's still at the same bar she's going to be in 400 years in the future?

Why not?

Let's continue Trek's Borg saturation by having Ito as Guinan witness the assimilation of the El Aurian homeworld in Strange New Worlds and Trek will just handwave this early Fed encounter with the Borg as "classified" the way other continuity mishaps have been handled. Might as well bring in Annie Wersching's Borg Queen too while we're at it :borg: :lol:

*shrugs* That continuity mishap already happened in Star Trek: Generations 28 years ago. That ship has long since gone to warp. And there's nothing in GEN to establish how long the El-Aurian refugee ships had been on the run from the Borg -- it's entirely possible the Borg could have assimilated El-Auria in the 2250s or '60s.
 
Because Braxton's future timeship in Voyager never crashed in Picard's 21st century timeline, the computer revolution was never created by reverse engineering it and thus they are still relegated to reading paper books. And here we are complaining about Guinan. :guffaw:

I hate time travel
 
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Wrong, Tuvok and Neelix weren't run over by the trolley ahead of the switch. The fact that they were rescued at the episode's end proves that.
 
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