Haha. No.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"
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There was no change to the timeline in the future? I'm very confused. The whole point of the season is that they have to "go to the past to correct the future".
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Highlights:
* Punk on the bus. That was hilarious.
* "I don't know how this got here."
* "What does a yellow light mean?" "It means go faster."
* Social commentary delivered with a hammer. Good.
* Interaction between Jurati and the Borg Queen continues to be stellar.
Negatives:
* Too short.
Ruminations:
To hit on it right off, some might have issue with the social commentary, but I feel the blunt nature of it is necessary. We continue to run out of time, and the notion that "be patient" really only applies to well off and privileged older white men is a lesson that needs to not only be said, but learned. The dystopian future of 2024 is the current world of our 2022, no dictators or death squads wearing all black spandex required.
The new actress for Guinan, Ito Aghayere, does a fine job taking on the role of a younger, disillusioned Guinan who has no time for second, third, or fourth chances, and no memory of a Picard who gave her hope. She's seen what humanity has become (what we are now, in this timeline), and is having no more of it. The future of Picard is possible, humanity as a bright beacon of true compassion, trust, and benevolence is possible, but we don't have a 24th century crew to make it work out well for us. It's all on us, and I think the show is making sure this point is understood. We are further down the hole than many of us think we are. I also think it's a message for those of us fighting for change, that change always comes later than we want it. The second part of that is the insistence that change will come. It's just seeing what change, and whether it's too late.
Social commentary aside, lots of great character moments, the punk on the bus, the original Kirk Thatcher from STIV, makes a terrific easter egg appearance, Seven and Raffi stealing a police car, Rios straight up telling the ICE officer who he really is and getting a rolleyes in response, touching on Picard's childhood past, the Jackson Roykirk Plaza (nice nod), and Q unexpectedly hitting a bit of a SNAFU regarding his powers.
This episode doesn't feel like filler to me, it feels like they're setting up for the payoff. I think everything worked very well in this episode, and I thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish.
10/10.
* Punk on the bus. That was hilarious.
* "I don't know how this got here."
* "What does a yellow light mean?" "It means go faster."
* Social commentary delivered with a hammer. Good.
* Interaction between Jurati and the Borg Queen continues to be stellar.
Negatives:
* Too short.
Ruminations:
To hit on it right off, some might have issue with the social commentary, but I feel the blunt nature of it is necessary. We continue to run out of time, and the notion that "be patient" really only applies to well off and privileged older white men is a lesson that needs to not only be said, but learned. The dystopian future of 2024 is the current world of our 2022, no dictators or death squads wearing all black spandex required.
The new actress for Guinan, Ito Aghayere, does a fine job taking on the role of a younger, disillusioned Guinan who has no time for second, third, or fourth chances, and no memory of a Picard who gave her hope. She's seen what humanity has become (what we are now, in this timeline), and is having no more of it. The future of Picard is possible, humanity as a bright beacon of true compassion, trust, and benevolence is possible, but we don't have a 24th century crew to make it work out well for us. It's all on us, and I think the show is making sure this point is understood. We are further down the hole than many of us think we are. I also think it's a message for those of us fighting for change, that change always comes later than we want it. The second part of that is the insistence that change will come. It's just seeing what change, and whether it's too late.
Social commentary aside, lots of great character moments, the punk on the bus, the original Kirk Thatcher from STIV, makes a terrific easter egg appearance, Seven and Raffi stealing a police car, Rios straight up telling the ICE officer who he really is and getting a rolleyes in response, touching on Picard's childhood past, the Jackson Roykirk Plaza (nice nod), and Q unexpectedly hitting a bit of a SNAFU regarding his powers.
This episode doesn't feel like filler to me, it feels like they're setting up for the payoff. I think everything worked very well in this episode, and I thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish.
10/10.
Yeah, I mentioned it but thanks for the screenshot! I was thinking it was in Miri, although that episode might also have used the same backlot.
not sure if this has been posted already, if it has: ignore this post. if it hasn't, it has now
Why do people keep saying the timeline hasn't been changed yet? I just don't get it.
- Q sent Picard & Co from their own timeline (where they were dead) into an alternate one with a POD (apparently) of April 15, 2024)
- Picard & Co went back in time from the Confederation's present to its past, to April 12, 2024. This is clear because Seven doesn't have her implant, it's the Confederation La Sirena, etc.
I suppose an alternate way to look at it is as if going into the past has erased all possible futures until they actually "fix" the timeline, but this is pretty solipsistic.
The biggest laugh of the episode was when Raffi phasers the police car's passenger side window and then uses her tricorder to power up the vehicle but then Seven asks why she couldn't just use the tricorder to unlock the door.
Stuff like this is the reason why temporal mechanics gives Janeway a headache.
It did.
Yep. I'm surprised at the easy acceptance of the writer's tweet that future timeline changes overwrite the past despite other evidence (specifically Enterprise, First Contact, and Kelvin Timeline) showing otherwise
Time travel has never been consistent in Star Trek, why should it start being so now?
Even Archer used his mid-22nd century hand scanner to unlock the car's door in "Carpenter Street(ENT)." Raffi has nearly 250 years on him and still didn't use the easy way to unlock a car door.
Although like Seven of Nine/Anika (whose Confederation timeline body has no Borg implants because in the changed timeline she was never assimilated by the Borg); in this case Confederation Picard's body should be fully human, has the events depicted in Picard S1 never happened; and while we have characters like Rios referring to the synthetic Picard, that's only because their bodies retain the memories of the original timeline that they're trying to restore.
You think this is bad watch Discovery.
LOL, you can keep saying that about the punk, but it's clear that he remembered the encounter. Indeed, that's basis for the scene's humor. You just want to ignore it because it contradicts your opinion.
Yeah, for sanity's sake, I'll go with the writer's intentions that the alternate Picard didn't go back in time. They should've had a quick mention of that as Picard is first puzzled by the lack of recognition and then realizes why. Would've taken but a moment.
But that still doesn't address the gross mischaracterization of Guinan! That's the real problem with those scenes.
When filming TOS, they used the same backlot as Andy Griffith for several episodes.
If there's not a fixed future at this point where did the La Sirena and crew come from exactly?
No, Skull Dukat is the reason why Confederation Picard is a Synthethic as mentioned by Q in episode 2Although like Seven of Nine/Anika (whose Confederation timeline body has no Borg implants because in the changed timeline she was never assimilated by the Borg); in this case Confederation Picard's body should be fully human, has the events depicted in Picard S1 never happened; and while we have characters like Rios referring to the synthetic Picard, that's only because their bodies retain the memories of the original timeline that they're trying to restore.
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