Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[plynch]

You can set a show in the Star Trek universe and not have it be rife with the same characters.

I was disappointed enough when DSC had to make Burnham Spock-related. I wanted it to be a new thing, but ok. Then it went Spock-Pike heavy in S2. Thank goodness those elements worked. Even PRO is heavy into VOY.

It is very small universe.

DS9 imported Worf, I know, but it and VOY seemed more ok being their own thing. Is LD off doing its thing or is it heavily tied into legacy characters? Aside from the many Trek in-jokes.

 

[fireproof78]

DS9 imported Worf, I know, but it and VOY seemed more ok being their own thing.

Aside from Barclay. But, yeah, it did OK with it.

Is LD off doing its thing or is it heavily tied into legacy characters?

Um, both? Season 2 definitely leaned more on legacy.

You can set a show in the Star Trek universe and not have it be rife with the same characters.

This is more my anger and frustration is the fact that it is a large universe that falls back on familiar characters. Strange New Worlds has the opportunity to tell Pike's story, and share with us new characters that we have not really seen, like Number One. Instead, it is rife with legacy characters that are weighing it down already.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

TV shows launching from pilots originally aired as TV movies was pretty common in the '70s.

Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers had limited theatrical releases, but were TV movies in other markets (weren't they? or am I completely mis-remembering this).

 

[cooleddie74]

Kolchak: The Night Stalker began as two separate TV-movies in 1972 and 1973.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers had limited theatrical releases, but were TV movies in other markets (weren't they? or am I completely mis-remembering this).

You're definitely remembering correctly. I can't speak as clearly to Buck Rogers, but the pilot episodes of BSG (collectively entitled "Saga of a Star World") were edited together for a limited theatrical release. I remember seeing the movie in the little theater next to George Mason University in Northern Virginia - it was the only place I could find showing it back then, to my recollection. It had several different scene versions, including the part where the Imperious Leader has Baltar beheaded, as opposed to staying the Centurion's blade in the series, after which they introduced Lucifer as his new handler. IIRC, that was the only showing of episodes in a theater.

Several other notable re-edit telemovies were made, such as "Living Legend", assembled from both Pegasus/Cain episodes of the same name, "Mission: Galactica, The Cylon Attack", also taking bits from "Living Legend" and "Fire in Space" scenes and "Experiment in Terra", which is a HUGE tapestry of pieced together parts of "Saga of a Star World", "The Magnificent Warriors", "Fire in Space", "Experiment in Terra", and Galactica 1980's "The Super Scouts, Part I" and "The Return of Starbuck". The beginning act also has scenes spliced from "The Living Legend, Part I", in terms of closeups of the Pegasus. It also had a new scene of Earth Astronauts finding the Galactica's logbook floating in space, showing new footage of original reptilian Cylons:

The Battlestar Wiki has a list of all of them, including all the episodes that were used to build them. There were quite a few.

Glen Larson must have loved doing those things and so did Universal. Very little effort to make something ostensibly new. Much like an Eaglemoss model repaint. It would stand to reason that they did it for Buck Rogers as well.

 

[Donald G]

Buck Rogers had a theatrical release before the series debut.

In the US, Galactica's premiere was as a 3-hour TV movie first, with the theatrical version released the summer between the series cancellation and before the premiere of Galactica 1980 . In Canada, my understanding is that the premiere was released theatrically first before the series aired on television.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Off the top of my head, some shows whose pilots were TV movies include Kung Fu, The Six Million Dollar Man, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, and Battlestar Galactica. In the Marvel line, we also had Captain America and Doctor Strange movies that didn't go to series.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

You're definitely remembering correctly. I can't speak as clearly to Buck Rogers, but the pilot episodes of BSG (collectively entitled "Saga of a Star World") were edited together for a limited theatrical release. I remember seeing the movie in the little theater next to George Mason University in Northern Virginia - it was the only place I could find showing it back then, to my recollection. It had several different scene versions, including the part where the Imperious Leader has Baltar beheaded, as opposed to staying the Centurion's blade in the series, after which they introduced Lucifer as his new handler. IIRC, that was the only showing of episodes in a theater.

Several other notable re-edit telemovies were made, such as "Living Legend", assembled from both Pegasus/Cain episodes of the same name, "Mission: Galactica, The Cylon Attack", also taking bits from "Living Legend" and "Fire in Space" scenes and "Experiment in Terra", which is a HUGE tapestry of pieced together parts of "Saga of a Star World", "The Magnificent Warriors", "Fire in Space", "Experiment in Terra", and Galactica 1980's "The Super Scouts, Part I" and "The Return of Starbuck". The beginning act also has scenes spliced from "The Living Legend, Part I", in terms of closeups of the Pegasus. It also had a new scene of Earth Astronauts finding the Galactica's logbook floating in space, showing new footage of original reptilian Cylons:

The Battlestar Wiki has a list of all of them, including all the episodes that were used to build them. There were quite a few.

Glen Larson must have loved doing those things and so did Universal. Very little effort to make something ostensibly new. Much like an Eaglemoss model repaint. It would stand to reason that they did it for Buck Rogers as well.

I saw the BSG movie in the theater.......in Sensurround™. Here in the US it was released sometime after the show premiered on TV.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I saw the BSG movie in the theater.......in Sensurround™. Here in the US it was released sometime after the show premiered on TV.

I saw it in a drive-in theater.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I saw it in a drive-in theater.

We had several of those around the area back then. The only movie I definitely remember seeing at an outdoor is Silver Streak, tho there were others I can't remember one way or the other.

 

[cooleddie74]

^
I love that movie. Gene and Richard's best film in my eyes.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

^
I love that movie. Gene and Richard's best film in my eyes.

Not what I was used to from those two, but definitely a good movie.

Also, go SNW!

 

[cooleddie74]

"Hilly's Theme" from that film is my ringtone.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We had several of those around the area back then. The only movie I definitely remember seeing at an outdoor is Silver Streak, tho there were others I can't remember one way or the other.

My dad's favored venue when seeing movies when I was growing up. Not sure why he disliked "sit down" theaters. But considering us kids spent more time in the play area than watching the films it makes sense. Plus he didn't have to pay a babysitter.

 

[mswood]

You can set a show in the Star Trek universe and not have it be rife with the same characters.

I was disappointed enough when DSC had to make Burnham Spock-related. I wanted it to be a new thing, but ok. Then it went Spock-Pike heavy in S2. Thank goodness those elements worked. Even PRO is heavy into VOY.

It is very small universe.

DS9 imported Worf, I know, but it and VOY seemed more ok being their own thing. Is LD off doing its thing or is it heavily tied into legacy characters? Aside from the many Trek in-jokes.

O'Brien would like to remind you what show he started on. And lets remember that both DS9 and VOY were originally designed to have another preexisting TNG character on the cast. With Ensign Ro we would have started out the gate with 3 TNG characters (Two primary one recurring), and Locarno was supposed to be the tie to TNG, but was changed to Paris. Now with Voyager distanced from the rest of Trek it did still manage to get a handful of connections through the seasons. And of course DS9 also managed to snag several TNG characters into their mix.


While I wasn't very happy about Burham's connection to Spock and his family, I am less not eh surface bothered by SNW, where we new with certainty that at least three legacy characters and one of them one of the biggest in the franchise were going otbe featured. And Hell many a fan wanted see the show crewed by preexisted characters, just not the ones we are getting. As for those three, Chapel is the one we know the most about and that's a rather small amount. In many ways outside of knowing were Uhura served during TOS, and TOS films, we know almost nothing about it her, and I mean almost nothing (which is a shame). So I don't mind those choices, because outside of knowing that Chapel becomes and MD serves as doctor not he Enterprise for a while and is at Starfleet Command at some point, and the little bit about her husband, she is also a fairly blank slate, and M'Benga? He's just as much a sCypehr as any of the people who were shown in the Cage (more so in some cases).

But yeah Starfleet was always portrayed in TOS as a small universe. Name one Starship Captain Kirk didn't address by his first name, compared to officials on states and outposts, and some of the diplomatic members that are formally introduced.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Also thought of a few shows that started in the '60s with standalone TV movies or extra-length episodes: Ironside, Hawaii Five-O, and The Mod Squad.

 

[GNDN18]

Name one Starship Captain Kirk didn't address by his first name

If there were only 12 or 13 Starships in the fleet, the captains’ club would be a small one. Presumably, too, they all would have been at the academy at more or less the same time. As for the rest of it, boy, I just don’t know.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Chris."

"Matt."

"Ron."

I think he even called Fleet Captain Garth of Izar "Garth" at least once. The Starfleet Captain's club is small enough that you probably feel like you know the others even if you don't really know them.

 

[GNDN18]

"Chris."

"Matt."

"Ron."

I think he even called Fleet Captain Garth of Izar "Garth" at least once. The Starfleet Captain's club is small enough that you probably feel like you know the others even if you don't really know them.

KIRK: Garth, do you have to make him suffer like that?
GARTH: You will address me by my proper title, Kirk.
KIRK: I'm sorry. I should've said Captain Garth.
GARTH: I am Lord Garth, formerly of Izar, and I lead the future masters of the universe.

Garth
(ah-ah)
He’ll master everyone of us.

 

[plynch]

Small universe is when you keep running into the same ppl again. Why GR wanted to not cast Colicos in Tribbles, iirc.

And no third Mudd show.