Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x02 - "Penance"

[Galaxy]

I have not read all 27 pages, so I am not sure if someone has mentioned it.

One important point this episode made, was that this is NOT an alternative timeline. In other words, General Picard, is fundamentally the same as Admiral Picard, he just had a different childhood and was raised differently, with the same upbringing "our" Picard would have grown into the same adult. So, basically they are retreading the Nemesis story line, except with Nemesis I never really bought into it, since Shinzon, or better Tom Hardy's portrayal of him, was to different from Patrick Stewarts portrayal of Jean Luc. This is better. Nevertheless, we now have two iterations of Picard who where brutal murderers. I wonder if "our" Picard is aware of the demons that are inside him. They seemed to imply that his father was abusive. Perhaps it runs in the family. Furthermore, we can now reflect on other situations. Perhaps Picard is aware of his problematic DNA, and that may have influenced his choice to not have children. During his speech at the academy he seemed almost relieved that his lineage is ending. I wonder if the Picard in First Contact in the holodeck, was General Picard coming out.

 

[donners22]

Quick thoughts, given that by the time they get around to putting it up in Australia it's all been said:

1) Angry/unhinged Q is best Q.
2) <3 Jurati
3) Elnor is still annoying, and isn't he meant to give them a chance to "choose life"?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I have not read all 27 pages, so I am not sure if someone has mentioned it.

One important point this episode made, was that this is NOT an alternative timeline. In other words, General Picard, is fundamentally the same as Admiral Picard, he just had a different childhood and was raised differently, with the same upbringing "our" Picard would have grown into the same adult. So, basically they are retreading the Nemesis story line, except with Nemesis I never really bought into it, since Shinzon, or better Tom Hardy's portrayal of him, was to different from Patrick Stewarts portrayal of Jean Luc. This is better. Nevertheless, we now have two iterations of Picard who where brutal murderers. I wonder if "our" Picard is aware of the demons that are inside him. They seemed to imply that his father was abusive. Perhaps it runs in the family. Furthermore, we can now reflect on other situations. Perhaps Picard is aware of his problematic DNA, and that may have influenced his choice to not have children. During his speech at the academy he seemed almost relieved that his lineage is ending. I wonder if the Picard in First Contact in the holodeck, was General Picard coming out.

Picard's revelation that it was not an alternate universe, like the Mirror Universe, and that this was manipulation of time, which can be described as a new timeline.

Picard believes that his universe has been redecorated, and that time is not constantly or often splitting into many divergent timelines.

A single malleable timeline is not the worst theory, and it works most of the time on Legends of tomorrow.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

I gave this episode a solid 9. Jurati's ad lib about her "college drinking buddy, Annika 'Seven Shots' Hansen" had me doubled over laughing. It's been ages since a Trek joke made me laugh so hard.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I have not read all 27 pages, so I am not sure if someone has mentioned it.

One important point this episode made, was that this is NOT an alternative timeline. In other words, General Picard, is fundamentally the same as Admiral Picard, he just had a different childhood and was raised differently, with the same upbringing "our" Picard would have grown into the same adult. So, basically they are retreading the Nemesis story line, except with Nemesis I never really bought into it, since Shinzon, or better Tom Hardy's portrayal of him, was to different from Patrick Stewarts portrayal of Jean Luc. This is better. Nevertheless, we now have two iterations of Picard who where brutal murderers. I wonder if "our" Picard is aware of the demons that are inside him. They seemed to imply that his father was abusive. Perhaps it runs in the family. Furthermore, we can now reflect on other situations. Perhaps Picard is aware of his problematic DNA, and that may have influenced his choice to not have children. During his speech at the academy he seemed almost relieved that his lineage is ending. I wonder if the Picard in First Contact in the holodeck, was General Picard coming out.

I'm speculating that time time is something of a red herring: maybe they'll learn something in 2024, but it won't change the world back to how it was. Q says lots of things that point away from a new timeline. Here is what a think the big clue is: Q sets up a record player for Edith Piaf's Je ne regrette rien, a song about making a new start. The following line is particularly noticeable as it is amplified:

Je me fous du passé.

"I don't care about the past" or "The past means nothing to me." Q mentions "the road not taken, " but all his solutions are things Picard should do in the present. It's the Borg Queen who points Picard to the past, and she is not reliable.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I have not read all 27 pages, so I am not sure if someone has mentioned it.

One important point this episode made, was that this is NOT an alternative timeline. In other words, General Picard, is fundamentally the same as Admiral Picard, he just had a different childhood and was raised differently, with the same upbringing "our" Picard would have grown into the same adult. So, basically they are retreading the Nemesis story line, except with Nemesis I never really bought into it, since Shinzon, or better Tom Hardy's portrayal of him, was to different from Patrick Stewarts portrayal of Jean Luc. This is better. Nevertheless, we now have two iterations of Picard who where brutal murderers. I wonder if "our" Picard is aware of the demons that are inside him. They seemed to imply that his father was abusive. Perhaps it runs in the family. Furthermore, we can now reflect on other situations. Perhaps Picard is aware of his problematic DNA, and that may have influenced his choice to not have children. During his speech at the academy he seemed almost relieved that his lineage is ending. I wonder if the Picard in First Contact in the holodeck, was General Picard coming out.

So I wonder if this timeline's version of Shinzon is Captain Picard from our universe and Shinzon rammed the Scimitar into the Enterprise trying to stop General Picard?

 

[Rhodan]

8!!!

People, this was some of the funniest s*** I have ever seen!

Imagine, if sometimes, when the Voyager was ending, for example, somebody leaked synopsis of this episode...

"After screwing contact with futuristic Borg, Q gets angry with Picard and changes the Federation into dark dystopical version of itself. Picard has skulls of aliens he executed on display. Seven of nine is president. Picard now has to go back in time to set the things right. But in order to do so, he must steal torso of Borg Queen and evade wrath of Seven of nine´s husband."

Yet it worked.

Also, maybe I noticed something what everobody did just now, because I haven´t watched the whole season 1 yet, but is Jurati this show´s Tilly?

 

[Bay17]

Elnor is still annoying, and isn't he meant to give them a chance to "choose life"?

I think this might be like Saru in season 1 being able to sense the onset of death - a quirky little character trait that soon gets ditched because they’ve got no idea what to do with it/it’s unsustainable in a regular episode

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think this might be like Saru in season 1 being able to sense the onset of death - a quirky little character trait that soon gets ditched because they’ve got no idea what to do with it/it’s unsustainable in a regular episode

Erm that came back in S03E11

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Don't know if this has been mentioned or not yet, but I was wondering where I had seen the actor who played the Confederation Magistrate / Seven's husband before, and he's a regular in the American Crime / Horror Story anthology series and the Nurse Ratched prequel series last year.

Anyway, his name is Jon Jon Briones, and he is Isa Briones / Soji's real life dad. So that's pretty cool that they got to work together even if they do not share any scenes (at least so far).

 

[NCC-73515]

So I wonder if this timeline's version of Shinzon is Captain Picard from our universe and Shinzon rammed the Scimitar into the Enterprise trying to stop General Picard?

Shinzon rammed the Beautiful Angel into the CSS Galaxy Razor

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

So I wonder if this timeline's version of Shinzon is Captain Picard from our universe and Shinzon rammed the Scimitar into the Enterprise trying to stop General Picard?

Have we seen a Reman in Picard or were they just left to die on Remus as the Romulans were getting rescued.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Have we seem a Reman in Picard or were they just left to die on Remus as the Romulans were getting rescued.

Season 1 showrunner didn't consider them canon, so they only appeared in the tie-in novels and comics.

 

[jackoverfull]

Season 1 showrunner didn't consider them canon, so they only appeared in the tie-in novels and comics.

how so?! Events from nemesis have been often referenced in season 1.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Season 1 showrunner didn't consider them canon, so they only appeared in the tie-in novels and comics.

They were in Nemesis.

I just remembered someone else who, will still be alive in 2024.

Rain Robinson.

I think Shannon O'Donnel only looked like Janeway in VOY 11:59, because this was a "story" that was being told to and by Janeway, and not actual reality.

 

[F. King Daniel]

how so?! Events from nemesis have been often referenced in season 1.

On an Instagram Q+A, someone asked if we'd see Remans and he called them a "mass hallucination" or something to that effect and that we won't see any. Although yes, Nemesis is definitely a jumping off point for the first season.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

On an Instagram Q+A, someone asked if we'd see Remans and he called them a "mass hallucination" or something to that effect and that we won't see any. Although yes, Nemesis is definitely a jumping off point for the first season.

Does that mean we can just write the spore drive and the purple Klingons off as a "mass hallucination"

 

[cooleddie74]

If only.

 

[jackoverfull]

Mushrooms are notoriously a cause if hallucinations

 

[Gov Kodos]

The ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all.