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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x02 - "Penance"

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 45 22.0%
  • 9

    Votes: 98 47.8%
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Soooo many callbacks, references and even some fourth wall breaking. I'm loving this season so much more than last (which was really good, btw).

Yes, a lot of info-dumping, but they have to move the plot along to get to the meat of the story.

I wonder if the watcher is Guinan, or would that be too much plot convenience?
 
I think they meant Sarek, Perrin and Spock. They're digging into Trek lore for deep references these days and Perrin is no deeper for most Trekkies than Denobula or Melvaran mud fleas.
 
9.

A few small nitpicks and annoyances but nothing that would have kept me from deeply enjoying the episode. And Patton Oswalt as a cat simulation was just a lot of fun. I like when random comedians and actors get cameos in franchises they enjoy.
I gave it a 10. Not sure I’ve ever rated the first two episodes of any Trek season 10s, but here we are.
 
So Emma is going to navigate the Mother ship through time. I mean, the Queen is going to provide the know-how to travel back to the past in Rios's ship...

Well...
 
This was a very entertaining hour of TV. Very exciting, and I enjoyed a lot of the characterization. Q seemed delightfully unhinged and I'm curious where they're going to take it. Q was always able to be a good foil for JLP and this was very evident here. It's hard to comment on the grand design of this because it isn't apparent yet. I am nervous that there will be big letdown as so often happens but the setup so far is very fun.

They dystopia was a really "good" one. I think that Trek often employs the "evil/mirror universe version of characters are just sex crazed maniacs" trope too often and this was not that at all. Just a brutal look at what a fascist, cruel version of the UFP would be. It had a weight that is lacking in other Trek instances and I appreciated it.

I saw some criticisms upthread about how there was a lot of info dump in this episode. I mean...maybe...but in each instance of info dumb we were shown things that established the wrongness of the timeline and the stakes involved. The Rios scene might seem unnecessary but there were shots of what were obviously WMD being used on Vulcan. A big deal! That was my biggest takeaway from the scene. JLP was a murderer in the past of this timeline, but the Confed was still actively engaged in active slaughter of those who are normally allies. Same thing with Elnor: he went from being lauded as the first fully Roman cadet last episode, and the inverse of that is him being hunted like an animal. The juxtaposition was effective and I didn't think it was wasted time.

I also liked how the Borg Queen was handled too. Even in a cage she was able to project menace and essentially stare into JLP and Seven's souls, so to speak. The "strange bedfellows" part of this is intriguing too, the Queen needs the crew and the crew needs the Queen and that is good drama for now.

There were a lot of great small touches in the episode. I honestly think my favorite was in President Seven's speech...Jeri Ryan did a great job of twitching her face and hesitating on the word "resistance" that immediately carried the weight and history of that word in the franchise and in that moment you can tell she realized that killing the Borg Queen was a morally abhorrent act, even if she wanted to do it. This is better characterization for Seven than last season. So much was communicated with just one word! I loved it.

The reprise of the FC Borg motif in a soft solo string instrument to signal the Queen brought low in this timeline was also very cool for me.

A nit to pick: JLP has his history wrong: it was not Kirk's Enterprise that slingshot around the sun, but the stolen BoP. [Edited to add: I am wrong about this and ashamed in my lapse of TOS knowledge :p]

I think it will be easier to judge this episode when the season is over but as a piece of setup, whose job it is to establish stakes and set the board for what's to come, and as a single episode of a television show it was very good. Tightly paced, exciting, and very watchable.
 
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The episode reminded me of three things:

1. The '90s series Sliders, where a group of four characters travelled from dimension to dimension each episode, and each dimension showed a different parallel "what if?" Earth. And sometimes the characters would end up on worlds where they'd have prominent roles in that society, they'd be mistaken for their counterparts, and they'd have to fake their way through.

2. Those TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes where the crew was wondering "What's going on?" and they'd piece it together.

3. Back to the Future, Part II where Doc and Marty are in an Alternate 1985, they figure out what's going on, and then they have to go back to 1955 fo fix it.

This all fits a show picking up the pieces from the '80s and '90s incarnation of Star Trek. So I like that they had an '80s/'90s vibe in this.

I also got a kick out of the Evil Starfleet Uniforms being updated FC Uniforms. It feeds into what I always thought: the FC Uniforms reflected Darker Times with their color scheme.

I don't know if this was intentional or not, but it's like they took complaints (including on this very board) about PIC Season 1 being "too dystopian" and showed them an alternate reality where it actually is dystopian. "You want to see dystopian? I'll show you dystopian!"
 
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I do have to say having Seven (or rather Annika) being "President" didn't sound very dystopian (they could have used a darker title, like Counsel, First Leader, etc.). I'm actually really wondering how bad the Confederation is if you're human. Is it internally a democracy - just a horribly racist, xenophobic one?
 
I do have to say having Seven (or rather Annika) being "President" didn't sound very dystopian (they could have used a darker title, like Counsel, First Leader, etc.). I'm actually really wondering how bad the Confederation is if you're human. Is it internally a democracy - just a horribly racist, xenophobic one?
Not what I was getting at and I think you know it. My point was they're showing how much worse Earth (and the Federation) could be than what some people were complaining about last season.
 
I do have to say having Seven (or rather Annika) being "President" didn't sound very dystopian (they could have used a darker title, like Counsel, First Leader, etc.). I'm actually really wondering how bad the Confederation is if you're human. Is it internally a democracy - just a horribly racist, xenophobic one?

I think the actions taken matter more. "Chancellor" is a title stuffy University presidents have and seems totally innocuous but Hitler was technically Chancellor of the Reich, so....
 
Thinking about the relationship between Seven and her husband, I think that he is the equivalent of a "beard." I'm betting that in the Confederation future, alternative lifestyles aren't readily accepted, especially in leadership. So a marriage of convenience is probably what's going on there. Obviously there's no intimacy between them.

The Borg Queen looking at Agnes like she was a Snickers Bar? THAT was chilling.
 
It's basically just another Terran Empire but just transplanted to our own universe and given a different name. I mean, if you're going to do a dystopian Earth dictatorship it sure beats rehashing the Mirror Universe for the umpteenth time and at least the alternate timeline Confederation has a fresher, more visceral feel.
 
Obviously there's no intimacy between them.
How could you possibly know that considering we haven't even seen the "real" President Hansen yet?

What exactly determines who maintains their memory of the Prime universe? The bridge of the Stargazer? Elnor and Raffi weren't there. The entire Starfleet squadron last episode? In that case, we'd have a whole army recalling the prime timeline, not just the Picard regular characters.

So what strings did Isa's dad pull to chuck his daughter from her own show and take her place. :P
 
It's basically just another Terran Empire but just transplanted to our own universe and given a different name. I mean, if you're going to do a dystopian Earth dictatorship it sure beats rehashing the Mirror Universe for the umpteenth time and at least the alternate timeline Confederation has a fresher, more visceral feel.
The difference is that the Terran Empire was inherently unstable due to emotional infighting and power lust (and lust of other forms as well…)

The Confederation seems much more stable, in part because everyone is much more professional, cold, and rational. As rational as an authoritarian regime can get, anyway. And in many ways that actually makes for a scarier regime. They’re evil, but they’re intelligently evil.
 
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