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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x11 - "Rosetta"
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An utterly boring episode in which virtually nothing happens. Lots of people talk about emotions a lot, and Culber once again gets to demonstrate that he's the least scientifically literate doctor in the history of Starfleet. More proof that this season is, at best, three or four episodes of plot stretched out to fill thirteen weeks... it's excruciating. No sense of urgency, no sense of timing, no sense of danger, just lots of talking and emoting. Will the 10C destroy Earth? At this point who cares? It'll be an anticlimax either way but maybe they can talk about their feelings some more.
Biologically relevant ones aren't.
I care.
At this point, apparently Picard is the action thriller Star Trek that everyone wanted?
Remember when Discovery was accused of not getting Star Trek and making it all action? Yeah, it's hilarious to me.
6/10...another average one that is less than the sum of its part.
The clues as to what 10C are were pretty cool; the skeletons, the structure, the communication through pheromones. But there was all kinds of wacky shenanigans in regards to this system.
First, Burnham seems sure that this (core?) of a gas giant was their homeworld, but then seems surprised at the idea that they lived in the cloud layer? Besides the core and the gas layers, where else on this gas giant could they have existed? Also did their planet lose its layers as a result of the collisions? Burnham states the cloud layers were burned away, but the asteroid collisions seems like a different catastrophe altogether. There was this (fungal?) growth on the structure that was never talked about. What happened to the infants? Are the 10C we're dealing with now them? If not, we should have had more of that "fear ash" around in addition to the "love ash". How the hell is a secondary away mission to the Dyson rings not undertaken. What, does Discovery only have a crew of 15 people? This is a huge unforced error in storytelling.
Other things to note:
Burnham is an "xenobiologist" the same way Chakotay was a "boxer", "anthropologist" and "historian". They only showed their skills in those fields when writers remembered them.
Book and Tarka are reaching Marx brothers' levels of comedy with their actions.
President Rillak had to take linguistics guy down a peg, but linguistic guy is so useless, I would have just told him to stop showing up to meetings.
The clues as to what 10C are were pretty cool; the skeletons, the structure, the communication through pheromones. But there was all kinds of wacky shenanigans in regards to this system.
First, Burnham seems sure that this (core?) of a gas giant was their homeworld, but then seems surprised at the idea that they lived in the cloud layer? Besides the core and the gas layers, where else on this gas giant could they have existed? Also did their planet lose its layers as a result of the collisions? Burnham states the cloud layers were burned away, but the asteroid collisions seems like a different catastrophe altogether. There was this (fungal?) growth on the structure that was never talked about. What happened to the infants? Are the 10C we're dealing with now them? If not, we should have had more of that "fear ash" around in addition to the "love ash". How the hell is a secondary away mission to the Dyson rings not undertaken. What, does Discovery only have a crew of 15 people? This is a huge unforced error in storytelling.
Other things to note:
Burnham is an "xenobiologist" the same way Chakotay was a "boxer", "anthropologist" and "historian". They only showed their skills in those fields when writers remembered them.
Book and Tarka are reaching Marx brothers' levels of comedy with their actions.
President Rillak had to take linguistics guy down a peg, but linguistic guy is so useless, I would have just told him to stop showing up to meetings.
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Not by me it wasn't.
Didn't say it was you. I'm just entertained by the flip in attitudes. It's hilarious to me only to keep my sanity.
I gave this one an 8.
It was OK but I think I was too high on the great PICARD season opener to really enjoy this episode.
I'm thinking I'm probably going to do a binge watch of the whole season at once after the final episode airs and I'll probably enjoy it more.
The way They are doing this season seems a bit too piecemeal for the story they are trying to tell.
It really seems to be dragging out now.
It was OK but I think I was too high on the great PICARD season opener to really enjoy this episode.
I'm thinking I'm probably going to do a binge watch of the whole season at once after the final episode airs and I'll probably enjoy it more.
The way They are doing this season seems a bit too piecemeal for the story they are trying to tell.
It really seems to be dragging out now.
Vividly.
Yet I like both series. So I find it a strange position to be in. But the double-standards aren't lost on me. All I'm willing to say about that at this particular point.
I like the first season of PIC the best out of all the seasons of New Trek, but I also think DSC's fourth season is the best but the first is my favorite. So I like DSC as it started, DSC as it's now become, and what I liked about PIC's first season was that it focused on Ex-Starfleet and Non-Starfleet characters. So my thoughts on all of this are mixed.
More episodes of DSC's fourth season have fit what I think Star Trek should be than anything else that's been put out during the Kurtzman Era. "Stormy Weather", "But to Connect", and "Rubicon" all immediately come to mind as examples.
"Rosetta"? I watched it at 3:00 in the morning and was super-tired. I need to watch it again. Being on the planet Species 10C used to inhabit was my favorite part of the episode. This one I'd say is more middle-of-the-road, but that's okay. It's for the best, under the circumstances, given that all the limelight was understandably going to PIC's season premiere.
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So apparently whatever happened to the 10-C nursery happened 1,000 years ago. Am I sensing a time jump backward? Will the whole crew go back and prevent what happened to the gas giant from happening to prevent 10-C's use of the DMA, or will Zora transport them somewhere and do it herself, leading to her staying in a nebula for 1,000 years waiting on her crew?
Well, there were parts of the episode I liked but we still haven't actually met the 10-C yet so I'm still giving this episode a 5.
Discovery is really trying my patience lately. I think the good things about this episode was it gave Detmer more to do an had some follow up to her PTSD from last year which was unfortunately dropped. I actually liked the Star Trek feel of exploring a strange new world and learning a little more about 10C.
However, the negatives about this episode are pretty much the same as last week. The show is feeling stalled, and I'm kinda getting sick of these high emotional feelings each week. Also, Discovery's security is atrocious if they can't figure out Book and Tarka are sneaking around. I'm getting bored of these episodes, and after watching Picard first this afternoon, the difference in the two shows is really night and day. I thought Picard was supposed to be the slower psychological series, yet it's still psychological but I cared about everything that was happening in that episode. I don't care about everything that happened in this episode and the sooner this season ends the better. I think Season 4 is probably the second worst season of the show, after Season 3, which not only didn't stick the landing, but it missed the runway completely.
Discovery is really trying my patience lately. I think the good things about this episode was it gave Detmer more to do an had some follow up to her PTSD from last year which was unfortunately dropped. I actually liked the Star Trek feel of exploring a strange new world and learning a little more about 10C.
However, the negatives about this episode are pretty much the same as last week. The show is feeling stalled, and I'm kinda getting sick of these high emotional feelings each week. Also, Discovery's security is atrocious if they can't figure out Book and Tarka are sneaking around. I'm getting bored of these episodes, and after watching Picard first this afternoon, the difference in the two shows is really night and day. I thought Picard was supposed to be the slower psychological series, yet it's still psychological but I cared about everything that was happening in that episode. I don't care about everything that happened in this episode and the sooner this season ends the better. I think Season 4 is probably the second worst season of the show, after Season 3, which not only didn't stick the landing, but it missed the runway completely.
I remember when people were clamouring for discovery to slow down and be more thoughtful and full of character moments like TNG. This show will always be damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. Turns out all you really need to do is give the fans the ship porn they want and thsts enough for an episode to be deemed a masterpiece.
A question about time arose for me.
At the end of the last episode, the president said that the DMA was days away from causing devastation to Earth and Ni'Var, and everything between. At the minimum, they had 48 hours.
The hyperfield is 30 light years away and the planet is 28 light years away. When the Discovery arrived, we learn that they had 29 hours before cataclysm. So, it took the Discovery 19 hours to reach the planet. I find that hard to believe. What were they doing during that time and/or what was their speed? I would have thought that they would have gone to maximum warp.
At the end of the last episode, the president said that the DMA was days away from causing devastation to Earth and Ni'Var, and everything between. At the minimum, they had 48 hours.
The hyperfield is 30 light years away and the planet is 28 light years away. When the Discovery arrived, we learn that they had 29 hours before cataclysm. So, it took the Discovery 19 hours to reach the planet. I find that hard to believe. What were they doing during that time and/or what was their speed? I would have thought that they would have gone to maximum warp.
Giant life forms from a gas giant with cartilage like bones who communicate through powder. Yaaay alien aliens!
I noticed this as well. It's not as though they already attempted to communicate with 10-C and failed. It's not an assumption we've seen a crew make before - Darmok being the exception of course, but the issue with that species was already established.
I'm all for calming down. But you can't calm down when you have an Earth/Vulcan destroying DMA on the loose. Then slowing down doesn't make any sense... It doesn't make any sense to talk about feelings and emotions all the time when there's a time bomb waiting to go off.
Yes, Discovery should calm down, but they should also stop with these Earth/Federation/Galaxy destroying plots if they do so! Otherwise you're losing any sense of urgency. That is what's happening now and it's bad writing!
My issues with season 3 and 4 haven’t been the slowing down to deal with character issues. I think that was needed after the breakneck pace of seasons 1 and 2 that also almost entirely focused on Burnham.
However, my issue with season 3 is the climax of what caused the dilithium to blow up being very disappointing. It would have been fine as the climax of a stand-alone episode, but 13 episodes building up to Su’Kal is disappointing. Also, the Emerald Chain was never a threatening villain and the season suffered because of it.
My issue with season 4 is that the DMA is not enough to sustain a 13 episode arc. They at least need some compelling subplots, but instead they have stretched it out with characters talking about their feelings. Characters constantly talking about their feelings isn’t character development. Which main character has gone through a good changing character arc on Discovery this year? I think just Book.
However, my issue with season 3 is the climax of what caused the dilithium to blow up being very disappointing. It would have been fine as the climax of a stand-alone episode, but 13 episodes building up to Su’Kal is disappointing. Also, the Emerald Chain was never a threatening villain and the season suffered because of it.
My issue with season 4 is that the DMA is not enough to sustain a 13 episode arc. They at least need some compelling subplots, but instead they have stretched it out with characters talking about their feelings. Characters constantly talking about their feelings isn’t character development. Which main character has gone through a good changing character arc on Discovery this year? I think just Book.
You're not alone. I nodded off half way through this snore fest .... GET ON WITH IT ALREADY!
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