Huh.. There going with the hairy tellerite ..
Don't like the neo dountless.. Her lines are all messed up
Don't like the neo dountless.. Her lines are all messed up
Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x10 - "A Moral Star, Part 2"
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Or at least it USED to be, before the power to the entire facility was destroyed.
So much for the humane treatment of prisoners, eh? This is the moral equivalent of taking a convicted murderer and leaving him, naked, in the middle of Death Valley, with no food, water, companionship, or shelter. And it's a fucking KID'S SHOW that's OK with all this!
I can't wait to see what Starfleet will do when it finds out about this. I hope they throw the little bastards in the brig. For awhile, at least.
Looks like the Diviner was right all along...about hypocrisy.
Once again, those are assumptions that they purposefully didn’t give him food or water and didn’t turn the power back on before leaving — which Rok already demonstrated she was capable of doing, and we clearly see Tars Lamora is illuminated and has gravity turned on in the final shot, meaning it does have power. It was a montage, not a literal sequence of events.
“Is There In Truth No Beauty” also establishes that different species, specifically psychic species, are not affected by Medusans the same way humans are. That’s one reason Spock wound up in a quasi mind-meld on the bridge and was easily cured. They establish in earlier episodes that Vau N’akat do have a form of psychokinesis and are specifically resistant to Zero’s telepathy, implying a genetic resilience against them.
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This actually does not say they left him on Tars Lamora at all. It does imply it - and the pictures show the Diviner in a chamber which looks a lot like the chamber that the Protostar was originally found. But that's not the same thing.
I do find it a bit confusing that his hair seems to have turned brown in that shot. Also that he is shirtless and lacks that blue goo suit which he seemed to need to walk around before. The show implied he was old/frail, and he looks like a young man here. It may be that the shot is actually a view inside of his own mind, which he is banished inside of, and is ruined.
I don’t know if they ever specifically say he needs the serum to be alive, just that he was older and weaker without it. Sort of like how you might get B-12 or steroids for a pep in your step?
Or at least it USED to be, before the power to the entire facility was destroyed.
So much for the humane treatment of prisoners, eh? This is the moral equivalent of taking a convicted murderer and leaving him, naked, in the middle of Death Valley, with no food, water, companionship, or shelter. And it's a fucking KID'S SHOW that's OK with all this!
I can't wait to see what Starfleet will do when it finds out about this. I hope they throw the little bastards in the brig. For awhile, at least.
Looks like the Diviner was right all along...about hypocrisy.
Well, in fairness, the kids aren't Starfleet. They are technically still in training and come from an abusive background, so they'd probably do a few questionable decisions.
Not that I'm trying to rationalize it... maybe we will learn the Diviner is locked away and being cared for by his robots or on the Protostar.
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If that shot is of the Diviner's own mind delusion, then he could simply be sitting in the Protostar's brig.
We don't really know the context of what we were shown except that H-Janeway says that he's "...banished to spend the rest of his life in the ruins of his own making".
That sounds an awful lot to me like he's trapped in his own mind.
It would explain why he doesn't have on the suit as well.
He's imagining himself the way he was before going back in time.
Also, he didn't 'make' Tars Lamora, it existed before he got there looking for the Protostar and it's not in "ruins".
It is exactly the way he found it, just without his ship creating the living space.
We don't really know the context of what we were shown except that H-Janeway says that he's "...banished to spend the rest of his life in the ruins of his own making".
That sounds an awful lot to me like he's trapped in his own mind.
It would explain why he doesn't have on the suit as well.
He's imagining himself the way he was before going back in time.
Also, he didn't 'make' Tars Lamora, it existed before he got there looking for the Protostar and it's not in "ruins".
It is exactly the way he found it, just without his ship creating the living space.
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I’m not sure they ever said that the hundreds of miners on Tars Lamora were all living on the Rev-12 with him. I got the sense with the scenes with Gwyn they had their own facilities apart from everyone else. Tars Lamora’s operation was pretty sprawling.
But without the ship there's no atmosphere nor gravity.
They may have dug out spaces while mining, but its power is what kept everybody alive.
It didn't engulf the entire planet, just a very large area around the ship.
Which is another reason to believe that the Diviner isn't back on the planet.
The Rev-12 isn't there to create a livable space anymore.
They may have dug out spaces while mining, but its power is what kept everybody alive.
It didn't engulf the entire planet, just a very large area around the ship.
Which is another reason to believe that the Diviner isn't back on the planet.
The Rev-12 isn't there to create a livable space anymore.
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We don't know how long Janeway had been looking. So the badge could be from 2383.
In the episode, they do establish without the ship online there are emergency power reserves, even if they aren’t built to last long — meaning the infrastructure was there. In the final beat on Tars Lamora with the Diviner, we see the gravity and power are back on, meaning the Prodigy crew must have made repairs or rigged it up to function with a new power source before they left.
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I like the design of the Dauntless, the original "fake" one more, but at least they kept the shape of the primary hull.
I stand corrected, Tuskin was faster.
She had already touched a real, solid object in ep. 08.
Aaron Waltke, DSC, and even VOY itself imply that you always need benamite crystals. If QS worked without them, and it were only a matter of increasing hull stress, the VOY crew would jump at intervals, which would be extremely useful especially to avoid the mercenaries/ subspace cruise missiles in the episodes "Think Tank" plus "Human Error".
Not sure whether there really is supposed to be a speed difference either. Keep in mind, ST is generally a clusterf*ck concerning FTL/ warp travel times, for instance, everyone kind of forgets they got a super warp drive shown in "Emanations", when the ship covers 0.6 light-years in a couple of seconds (millions of times the speed of light) at warp 7, this example is only the tip of the iceberg. The seemingly contradicting numbers from "Hope and Fear" support this.
Not that I insist "V2"=faster is completely impossible as it's got Borg tech, but I would take it with a HEAP of salt.
Division 14 is part of Starfleet though with Sf combadges (Cerritos style), Sf ship registries (at least NX), and Sf equipment. California-class vessels and the Vancouver (common uniforms) also seem to belong to some kind of support and special projects division, or more specifically, the Cerritos is a "second contact engineering ship", according Mike McMahan.
There must be an independent power generator since we see the Rev-12 leaving (and cloaking) TL in an earlier ep. The miners get visibly left behind with functioning artificial gravity and an atmosphere.
I stand corrected, Tuskin was faster.
She had already touched a real, solid object in ep. 08.
Aaron Waltke, DSC, and even VOY itself imply that you always need benamite crystals. If QS worked without them, and it were only a matter of increasing hull stress, the VOY crew would jump at intervals, which would be extremely useful especially to avoid the mercenaries/ subspace cruise missiles in the episodes "Think Tank" plus "Human Error".
Not sure whether there really is supposed to be a speed difference either. Keep in mind, ST is generally a clusterf*ck concerning FTL/ warp travel times, for instance, everyone kind of forgets they got a super warp drive shown in "Emanations", when the ship covers 0.6 light-years in a couple of seconds (millions of times the speed of light) at warp 7, this example is only the tip of the iceberg. The seemingly contradicting numbers from "Hope and Fear" support this.
Not that I insist "V2"=faster is completely impossible as it's got Borg tech, but I would take it with a HEAP of salt.
Division 14 is part of Starfleet though with Sf combadges (Cerritos style), Sf ship registries (at least NX), and Sf equipment. California-class vessels and the Vancouver (common uniforms) also seem to belong to some kind of support and special projects division, or more specifically, the Cerritos is a "second contact engineering ship", according Mike McMahan.
But remember, the Diviner blew up the mining facility's power supply (in part 1). So is there any food or air left for him? The kids had to remember that the Diviner cut the power...did they think he deserved to starve and/or suffocate because of that?
There must be an independent power generator since we see the Rev-12 leaving (and cloaking) TL in an earlier ep. The miners get visibly left behind with functioning artificial gravity and an atmosphere.
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Trek BBSers at the end of Picard S1: "Jurati isn't being punished enough!"
Trek BBSers at the end of Prodigy S1.0: "The Diviner is being punished too much!"
Trek BBSers at the end of Prodigy S1.0: "The Diviner is being punished too much!"
Considering that Jurati basically got off scot-free and The Diviner was condemned to a hellish fate, that doesn’t seem like a contradiction.
watch. They will need him to find Chakotay.
Well, it's consistent with the rest of the franchise.
We'll see.
Once again, those are assumptions...
And yeah, I realize that I made assumptions as well (that they left the Diviner behind to die). We'll just have to see who's right.
I admit I find it quite ironic that an episode called "A MORAL Star" implies that it's OK to leave a defeated enemy helpless and starving in the dirt.
And that independent generator would be the one which the Diviner DESTROYED in part 1, wouldn't it?
And if that's the case, I hope he tells them to go fuck themselves.
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There's no single voice for TrekBBSers. I disagree with a lot of people here on a slew of things, and agree with those same people on others.
I actually do think it's unlikely the creators would cast the kids as potential murderers, and thought it was ambiguous enough to support that. I was responding to how I would feel if the inference (a reasonable one, I agree) that they left him to die were true.
I do not support the death penalty, but have in the past, so I can see why someone would impose it, and if anyone deserves it, it's a murderous slaver who tried to commit genocide. Imposing death on someone who is incapable of even being aware of it (and yes, there's plenty of space to assume he won't always be so messed up) defeats any purpose to it. If he is no longer a threat, and he is incapable of appreciating it as a punishment, it's just a shallow sense of self-satisfaction for the executioners. And I can see Zero, for what the Diviner did to them, abandoning him to his own fate. I can see Jankom being pretty on the fence about it (other than general Tellarite argumentativeness). But Rok really lacks the ruthlessness to make such a choice. And Dal I feel might instinctually want to get vengeance/justice, but he is quickly becoming a thoughtful leader, and he obviously cares for Gwyn, and is smart enough to realize she would be upset to find out that they basically killed her father.
Re: Jurati. I don't think she should be put to death either or dropped on the planet of the killer biobeds.
I actually do think it's unlikely the creators would cast the kids as potential murderers, and thought it was ambiguous enough to support that. I was responding to how I would feel if the inference (a reasonable one, I agree) that they left him to die were true.
I do not support the death penalty, but have in the past, so I can see why someone would impose it, and if anyone deserves it, it's a murderous slaver who tried to commit genocide. Imposing death on someone who is incapable of even being aware of it (and yes, there's plenty of space to assume he won't always be so messed up) defeats any purpose to it. If he is no longer a threat, and he is incapable of appreciating it as a punishment, it's just a shallow sense of self-satisfaction for the executioners. And I can see Zero, for what the Diviner did to them, abandoning him to his own fate. I can see Jankom being pretty on the fence about it (other than general Tellarite argumentativeness). But Rok really lacks the ruthlessness to make such a choice. And Dal I feel might instinctually want to get vengeance/justice, but he is quickly becoming a thoughtful leader, and he obviously cares for Gwyn, and is smart enough to realize she would be upset to find out that they basically killed her father.
Re: Jurati. I don't think she should be put to death either or dropped on the planet of the killer biobeds.
Agreed.
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