Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x06 - "Kobayashi"

[DEWLine]

Yes, that was the lesson for Dal as well. But in addition to that, he also realised he should listen to "his crew".

Agreed. Both lessons were on the table here for Dal.

 

[brandnewfan]

Wonder if we'll see the Dominion?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Wonder if we'll see the Dominion?

They're all living in space trailer parks by now.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

While I still stand by my assertion that I didn't mind the fan service here, I was a little taken out of the episode by the Nimoy soundclips. They didn't mesh all too well together, as you can tell the levels, the timber, and delivery were all different and sourced from 60s Nimoy, 80s Nimoy, and 90s Nimoy. You can hear the change in his voice from young to older.

I get what they were attempting. But not sure it was 100% successful to my ears.

 

[StarMan]

While I still stand by my assertion that I didn't mind the fan service here, I was a little taken out of the episode by the Nimoy soundclips. They didn't mesh all too well together, as you can tell the levels, the timber, and delivery were all different and sourced from 60s Nimoy, 80s Nimoy, and 90s Nimoy. You can hear the change in his voice from young to older.

I get what they were attempting. But not sure it was 100% successful to my ears.

The jump to Nimoy '09 dialogue was unnecessary IMO. I would've restrained the dialogue extraction to a particular era and worked the dialogue around it. But it's a minor quibble given the nature of the show.

Watched episodes 1-6 yesterday. I was pretty indifferent going in knowing the target demographic. I'm floored I enjoyed it as much as I did - strongest start to any of the New Treks by a mile.

 

[Go-Captain]

I have to add how interesting it is this version of the Maru test gives the player every advantage. Dal gets the Galaxy class automatically and his choice of famous officers both Federation and Federation associated. That means anyone can build their dream crew on their dream ship and all it does is drive home the failure even harder.

How did Boimler ever get through a test like that? I can only imagine he know the point going in because I doubt there is any way the nature of the test is secret after a century.

 

[Commander Troi]

speaking of this, am I the only one thinking that the master-servant relationship we assumed previously between the Diviner and grievous might be something different after seeing this flashback?

Nope. It definitely seemed more equal - or even that Drednok was the primary partner. I'm looking forward to learning more about them.

Wonder if we'll see the Dominion?

I wondered the same.

 

[UssGlenn]

I have mixed feelings about that because it really looks like he really won, and really only accidentally failed himself, rather than the system conspiring to make him fail.

That's not where the torpedo controls are usually, so the computer did conspire against him. However, even if it hadn't and he successfully rescued the ship, he had still started a war with the Klingons, which is also a loss.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It just occurred to me that this only further confuses the issue of assigning the Neutral Zone to the Klingons in TWOK, as they used clips of Spock describing the Romulan Neutral Zone in "Balance of Terror"...

 

[Danja]

The simulation revealed something about Dal's background.

He pushed his digital crew in the same manner that the Overseers on Tars Lamora no doubt pushed HIM -- to the breaking point.

He's not lacking in compassion (he pulled Gwyn off the Hirogen homeworld). Right now, he's running on raw instinct.

I think the simulation in this episode did NOT need to be the Kobayashi Maru. It could have been any kind of simulation involving a tricky scenario that was, for all intents and purposes, winnable. I would even argue that having Dal do the easiest training mission first and being unable to effectively beat it would have better sold the idea of needing to listen to your crew.

It says something about Dal's personality (he doesn't do anything in half-measures).

 

[Go-Captain]

Right now, he's running on raw instinct.

He just had a full immersion crash course in command. I won't be surprised if he continues to makes mistakes, but he might astound the others, Janeway included, next time there is a crisis.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Odo would positively hate having his image coopted and used to train Starfleet cadets. I saw this as a particularly egregious example of small universe syndrome.

You know, with the speculation that there was some sort of temporal anomaly involved in the crew abandoning ship...maybe the Alpha quadrant species kids are the offspring of Protostar crew that were thrown back a couple decades to stardate 43xxx along with the ship.

 

[Commander Troi]

You know, with the speculation that there was some sort of temporal anomaly involved in the crew abandoning ship...maybe the Alpha quadrant species kids are the offspring of Protostar crew that were thrown back a couple decades to stardate 43xxx along with the ship.

An interesting idea, but only possible for Dal and Rok-Tar. We already know Pog was on a Tellerite sleeper ship and Zero was pulled (somehow) from a Medusan hive mind.

 

[Danja]

An interesting idea, but only possible for Dal and Rok-Tar. We already know Pog was on a Tellerite sleeper ship and Zero was pulled (somehow) from a Medusan hive mind.

Gwyn was born in a test tube and who knows where Murf is from.

Assuming the show takes place five years after Voyager's return, the Protostar went into space five years (or more) prior to Voyager being stranded in the Delta Quadrant. How did Janeway get aboard and why her?

 

[jackoverfull]

I have to add how interesting it is this version of the Maru test gives the player every advantage. Dal gets the Galaxy class automatically and his choice of famous officers both Federation and Federation associated. That means anyone can build their dream crew on their dream ship and all it does is drive home the failure even harder.

How did Boimler ever get through a test like that? I can only imagine he know the point going in because I doubt there is any way the nature of the test is secret after a century.

indeed. This version of the Maru is probably routinely done just for the fun of it, to see how long one survives without dying. Sort of a 24th (?) century Tetris!

 

[Commander Troi]

The Protostar went into space five years (or more) prior to Voyager being stranded in the Delta Quadrant. How did Janeway get aboard and why her?

With Chakotay as Captain, the Protostar had/has to have gone into space *after* Voyager got back to the Alpha Quadrant. The showrunner has admitted something "wibbly-wobbly" happened (Doctor Who is everywhere! ).

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Gwyn was born in a test tube and who knows where Murf is from.

Assuming the show takes place five years after Voyager's return, the Protostar went into space five years (or more) prior to Voyager being stranded in the Delta Quadrant. How did Janeway get aboard and why her?

With Chakotay as Captain, the Protostar had/has to have gone into space *after* Voyager got back to the Alpha Quadrant. The showrunner has admitted something "wibbly-wobbly" happened (Doctor Who is everywhere! ).

Yes, given what we now know from this episode, and from the episode author/show producer Aaron J. Waltke, there must be major time travel shenanigans afoot.

The stardate in the “17 years ago” flashback was 43929.9, which is a Stardate in December of 2366. We’d been told that the show takes place in 2383, and now it’s been verified on screen, via the math from the date and number of years ago provided.

As you put, @Commander Troi, with the fact that Chakotay was a Captain (a rank he never achieved prior to defecting to the Maquis), and was working with a Janeway Hologram in a Voyager-era inspired uniform, we have ample onscreen evidence that proves Chakotay launched the Protostar sometime after Voyager’s return, which, as you said @Danja, was five years prior to the show’s in 2378.

So Chakotay and Holo Janeway left on a mission to the Delta Quadrant…and other details we don’t know about yet, and encountered an anomaly and were boarded by something. At some point after this the Protostar is hidden within Tars Lamora, but hidden in the past, years before the 17 years ago of 2366, because Drednok and the Diviner discussed it having been searched for for years, and that many had failed doing so.

I’m very excited to see how it all adds up, because with all the facts right now it seems like Chakotay was sent back in time, possibly over two decades, into the Delta Quadrant.

There may have been a time when there were two Chakotay’s stranded in the Delta Quadrant simultaneously. Reminds me of Thomas Riker!

 

[Deks]

Yes, given what we now know from this episode, and from the episode author/show producer Aaron J. Waltke, there must be major time travel shenanigans afoot.

The stardate in the “17 years ago” flashback was 43929.9, which is a Stardate in December of 2366. We’d been told that the show takes place in 2383, and now it’s been verified on screen, via the math from the date and number of years ago provided.

As you put, @Commander Troi, with the fact that Chakotay was a Captain (a rank he never achieved prior to defecting to the Maquis), and was working with a Janeway Hologram in a Voyager-era inspired uniform, we have ample onscreen evidence that proves Chakotay launched the Protostar sometime after Voyager’s return, which, as you said @Danja, was five years prior to the show’s in 2378.

So Chakotay and Holo Janeway left on a mission to the Delta Quadrant…and other details we don’t know about yet, and encountered an anomaly and were boarded by something. At some point after this the Protostar is hidden within Tars Lamora, but hidden in the past, years before the 17 years ago of 2366, because Drednok and the Diviner discussed it having been searched for for years, and that many had failed doing so.

I’m very excited to see how it all adds up, because with all the facts right now it seems like Chakotay was sent back in time, possibly over two decades, into the Delta Quadrant.

There may have been a time when there were two Chakotay’s stranded in the Delta Quadrant simultaneously. Reminds me of Thomas Riker!

Copy-cat.

I mentioned an extremely similar sequence of events on Page 4 of this thread.

 

[Deks]

With Chakotay as Captain, the Protostar had/has to have gone into space *after* Voyager got back to the Alpha Quadrant. The showrunner has admitted something "wibbly-wobbly" happened (Doctor Who is everywhere! ).

At this point, nothing seems wrong with the timeline as such... its just the Protostar encountered an anomaly (possibly a temporal one) which pushed it about 20 years (or more) into the past.

The question is... who/what caused the anomaly... what was its specific role (was it a temporal one or not - if not, then HOW did the Protostar end up in the past - possibly connected to their Proto-Core drive) and where did Chakotay and his crew end up (hint: probably in the Gamma Quadrant, either as prisoners of the Dominion or some other power, or managed to get away from whoever boarded the Protostar and then hid in the Gamma Quadrant in an attempt to NOT interfere with the timeline but cut off from means of getting back to the Alpha Quadrant - aka, no ability to reach the Bajoran Wormhole).

Dominion seems like a possibility... or it could be the Diviner species that boarded the Protostar (because Dominion space wouldn't be that close to the Gamma/Delta quadrant border - unless the Protostar met with a Dominion task force that was in deep space) and holo-Janeway's file was encrypted in Diviner species language.

EDIT: Actually, on the account of WHERE Chakotay could be... his recording said 'Delta Quadrant' ... not Gamma... hence, he and the crew could still be there.

Plus, if they got away from whoever tried boarding the Protostar, the crew probably had 20 years (or more) to reach the same coordinates as the Protostar (perhaps the crew opted to head for the Bajoran Wormhole for some reason if Tars Lamora was NOT near the Beta-Delta border [or Galactic core] but maybe between the galactic core and VOY starting point and near the Delta-Gamma border.

The jump that took the Protostar 4000 Ly's to the G.Q. seemed like a random pick of coordinates - the kids weren't specifically picky on where they wanted to go... just AWAY from the Diviner (but that doesn't mean we won't see the Dominion or Diviner species), so if they meet with flesh and blood Chakotay and his crew, it will be 'convenient' (unless the kids end up turning the Proto drive back up to go look for Chakotay at Janeway's request - especially if she recovers her full memory).

 

[UssGlenn]

While the Protostar has probably already been launched, based on it's registry number, I suspect that the events we saw recorded haven't actually happened yet as of 2383.