• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x03 - "Choose to Live"

Rate the episode...


  • Total voters
    131
Something about the meld that really annoyed me is Books nephew disappearing looked exactly something I just can't place. The way he turns to dust.

Thanos snap maybe ?

it reminded me of Leonardo DiCaprio’s character from Shutter Island and his flashbacks about his son.
 
To be fair the Federation has been MIA since the Burn and were literally about to sign an alliance (albeit under extenuating circumstances) with the evil Emerald Chain just last year. So the renegade Qowat Milat has no reason to trust the current Federation which is basically a wounded animal that could lash out at any time.
That still leaves the other Milats and the Ni’Var government. Either could have petitioned the Federation for the project, especially through Burnham, described the situation short of revealing the location, and explain why it couldn’t be revealed due to sensitive biological considerations. Something could have been worked out which didn’t involve theft and serial murder.

Going beyond just Tilly here, I think the show should address that any of Discovery's crew, including Tilly, has a really long shot at taking command of any of the 32nd century starships other than Discovery. Are Byzantine Empire generals suddenly transported to the 21st century going to be considered for command of modern military vessels armed with weapons, no matter how much catch-up reading they do and how well mannered they are? I doubt it.
A great point. Unfortunately Trek continues to suffer the status quo in space combat so there seems to be nothing new to learn. Though the learning curve should still be steep for just about everything else. Anyone specialized in science or engineering should be hopelessly primitive.
 
No, I don't need to. I appreciate the suggestion but just like people won't stop watching a show they clearly loathe, with a lead character they hate, written by people they feel insulted by, I will keep speaking my mind, hold Trek to the same standard and be thoroughly annoyed by double standards. And probably use some absolute candor.
But it's not double standards.
Example: "Haha double fist punch fighting how stupid looking". "Haha sword fighting in a show with phasers how stupid looking"
That's not double standards but those kind of criticisms get shot down and put in a category with the racists and the homophobes
 
Why is the ship always turning at warp? Are they going in a circle?
I don’t know why they can’t get the warp effect correct. It’s not hard.
 
But it's not double standards.
Example: "Haha double fist punch fighting how stupid looking". "Haha sword fighting in a show with phasers how stupid looking"
That's not double standards but those kind of criticisms get shot down and put in a category with the racists and the homophobes
The double standard is the tendency to demand Discovery do better or not be Star Trek. To treat it like an exception in the otherwise infallible history of Trek.

And, no, I don't treat it the same as homoohobic or racist behavior.
 
The double standard is the tendency to demand Discovery do better or not be Star Trek. To treat it like an exception in the otherwise infallible history of Trek.

And, no, I don't treat it the same as homoohobic or racist behavior.
Well we agree at least on the "not Trek" thing. Anyone who shouts not Trek is best ignored.
You have no way of knowing though when someone says beaming through shields or using swords is stupid also didn't say the same about other Trek
 
Well we agree at least on the "not Trek" thing. Anyone who shouts not Trek is best ignored.
You have no way of knowing though when someone says beaming through shields or using swords is stupid also didn't say the same about other Trek
When it becomes repeatedly stated as well as similar repetitive calling for writers being fired, the ability to take seriously diminishes greatly. Add in that it's 80/20 criticism to positive feedback then it is hard to find any love in the comments.
 
Kira engaged in hand to hand combat and suffered a wound before the Klingon boarding party was defeated.

Yeah, this bit I found a bit stupid because we saw Klingons dying from similar wounds... yet Kira of course lived.
I know I know... she's part of the main cast and may not have crucial internal organs in the same place (because she's not Klingon), but still.
 
The Qowat Milat is a prime example of what is wrong with NuTrek. It's immorality. It's disregard for life.
They make sense as a balance to Romulans and Vulcans but not on Ni’Var where Vulcans and Romulans are no longer hiding or lying about their feelings to dangerous degrees, and where things appear to be peaceful. The Milat make the most sense in a violent world like what pre-schism Vulcan was probably like, Romulan Empire oppression, and then the lawless Neutral Zone. They should be a dying breed in DIS, or already gone, or stayed off world where all the violent lost causes are with no presence on Ni’Var.

There was a moment where I thought the nun’s lost cause was going to be of the The Chain or something of that sort. That would have been a perfect exploration of the amorality of their edicts, but I fully expect Mom Burnham’s reaction would be, “sometimes nuns are lead astray” even though it’s a predictable result of their dogma.
 
Why is the ship always turning at warp? Are they going in a circle?
I don’t know why they can’t get the warp effect correct. It’s not hard.

Because 'it looks cool'... or at least its 'supposed' to be.
We do have examples in both TNG and VOY where ships can make turns inside Warp without fracturing the hull (which is more than doable - and Paris did mention that course corrections 'could' fracture the hull... so its not a given). But those were done for specific reasons and not too frequently.

Its possible in the 32nd century, Warp speed increased by a fairly large amount, which might suggest the idea that ships do these turns to avoid slamming into interstellar bodies.
But that would only apply in a very small and particularly dense galaxy, or if the speeds are incredibly large (which wasn't suggested in Season 3 at all) - which is something that doesn't necessarily apply to the Milky Way... unless the vantage point in the galaxy contains large amounts of interstellar debris which requires such rapid turns (again, not particularly likely).

In-universe, I can't particularly think of a valid reason why Booker's ship is making so many turns at FTL... unless its necessitated by his ship's design (which in itself wouldn't make much sense).
 
Last edited:
And Kira had an uncanny knack for being able to beat anyone up, regardless of how they were built relative to her. Sort of an inverse Worf effect in ways. :rommie:
On the DS9 episode 'Valiant': In Moore's original draft of the script, the USS Valiant was discovered by Jake and Kira. The plot was predominantly the same, but as Moore later explained, "It didn't work because you couldn't believe that Kira wouldn't kick every one of their asses and take back the ship single-handedly. It occurred to us that if we put Nog in there we'd have a character who could buy into what Red Squad was doing. And Jake was a character who could stand back from it. That worked a lot better."
 
Yeah, Nog is a better fit. I'm still amused that one reason the Defiant was renamed from Valiant was that Voyager was in basic development at the time, and the production staff were told they couldn't have two ships starting with the same letter for some reason.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top