Spoilers General Prodigy plot-arc speculation thread...

[JoaquinSlowly]

Doesn't the comment about events in Picard which will affect the young characters show the show isn't set in 2283?

I mean, Picard starts in 2399, not 2283. The earliest event within Picard's timeline is the attack on Utopia Planetia, which is still 2385 - two years after the start of Prodigy.

Maybe they're plotting things out for Season 3 already?

Quite possibly! It could also be that events that will be referred to or portrayed in Picard Season 2 are to have happened sometime before the upcoming season’s “present day,” and could have occurred contemporaneously with Prodigy Season 1 or 2, just as the first season of Picard featured several flashbacks to 2385, as you mentioned.

They’ve definitely got me with the mysteries surrounding the show, my curiosity is piqued. At this point ‪‪I trust the Hagemans to deliver something that will make sense, and it’s fun watching the mystery unfold.

 

[Danja]

Doesn't the comment about events in Picard which will affect the young characters show the show isn't set in 2283?

I mean, Picard starts in 2399, not 2283. The earliest event within Picard's timeline is the attack on Utopia Planetia, which is still 2385 - two years after the start of Prodigy.

Maybe they're plotting things out for Season 3 already?

Time is supposed to be "broken" in Picard S2 -- what repercussions will that have on Prodigy?

Say what you will about Kurtzman, at least he's trying to maintain a level of coherence.

Under Berman, each show existed as an isolated silo (Picard was the first human to be assimilated -- and then Seven of Nine came along. And then Enterprise pushed it back further than that.)

 

[DaveyNY]

Under Berman, each show existed as an isolated silo (Picard was the first human to be assimilated -- and then Seven of Nine came along. And then Enterprise pushed it back further than that.)

To be fair, as far as the Enterprise-D crew knew, Picard was the first Star Fleet Officer to be assimilated.

There's no way the status of the other's would have been known due to their particular circumstances.

We as the audience eventually knew, but the Characters didn't.

Plus, I don't remember any of the TNG characters ever actually stating that Picard was the "First Human" to be assimilated.

(which would have been untrue anyway since they had already seen an entire colony go missing and assumed it was the BORG that did it)

 

[Danja]

The relationship between Janeway and the crew will develop something along the lines of Knight Rider (In the early eps, KITT was cold, distant, and mechanical. Michael and KITT would later go on to develop something approximating a relationship.)

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

The relationship between Janeway and the crew will develop something along the lines of Knight Rider (In the early eps, KITT was cold, distant, and mechanical. Michael and KITT would go on to develop something approximating a relationship.)

I didn’t think ‪‪I could enjoy this show a whole lot more than ‪‪I already do, but with that comparison, ‪‪I think you just got me to like it even more.

 

[Danja]

I didn’t think ‪‪I could enjoy this show a whole lot more than ‪‪I already do, but with that comparison, ‪‪I think you just got me to like it even more.

OT: I liked Val Kilmer in the 2008 version (I thought he brought real warmth and good humor to KITT).

Can you tell I'm an 80's kid?

At this point ‪‪I trust the Hagemans to deliver something that will make sense, and it’s fun watching the mystery unfold.

And even if it doesn't, it would still be Trek.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

OT: I liked Val Kilmer in the 2008 version (I thought he brought real warmth and good humor to KITT).

Can you tell I'm an 80's kid?

‪‪I wasn’t sure anyone else watched the 2008 reboot, and ‪‪I also liked Kilmer in the role. Of course, no one could replace William Daniels/Mr. Feeny as KITT, but ‪‪also, I’ll love Chris Knight/Madmartigan in almost everything, because he’s a genius, and the greatest swordsman who ever lived. (As I’m sure you can tell, I’m also an ‘80s kid )

And to bring it back around to on topic, ‪‪now I’m going to be preoccupied with the idea of Hologram Janeway making it to the 32nd Century so she can call Burnham “Michael,” in a KITT like way

 

[Danja]

‪‪now I’m going to be preoccupied with the idea of Hologram Janeway making it to the 32nd Century so she can call Burnham “Michael,” in a KITT like way

Oh, Lord ...

I'm picturing Kate Mulgrew saying, "Michael" with an Iowa accent!


Who knows? (Burnham: "Fancy meeting you here!" )

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Oh, Lord ...

I'm picturing Kate Mulgrew saying, "Michael" with an Iowa accent!


Who knows? (Burnham: "Fancy meeting you here!" )

‪‪I never realized how much ‪‪I need to see a computerized Kate Mulgrew participate in a car chase until now
‪‪

 

[Danja]

‪‪I never realized how much ‪‪I need to see a computerized Kate Mulgrew participate in a car chase until now
‪‪

Yo, Pixar! Are you producing any more Cars sequels?

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Yo, Pixar! Are you producing any more Cars sequels?

With all the different flavors of Trek we have right now, I can almost see an early childhood/preschool targeted show about anthropomorphized starships learning life lessons together, and where a sort of Owen Wilson-esque starship ends up catching feelings for a Janeway starship

 

[Danja]

Prodigy will be a controller/operative show (a la Max Headroom/Dark Angel/Birds of Prey).

Janeway is on the ship guiding the cadets in the field as they take care of business.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Some of the biggest pieces of information and clarification about the season’s story arc we’ve gotten yet came from a new interview with Kobayashi’s author, Aaron J. Waltke at TrekMovie. There the time travel element many of us had predicted was explicitly referenced, and we learned a little bit of clarifying info about the casting announcement from last year.

We also learn the crew made up of Jason Alexander as the Tellarite Dr. Noum, Daveed Diggs as the Andorian Commander Tysess, and Jameela Jamil as the Trill Ensign Ascencia, are not in fact Chakotay’s old crew from the Protostar. Many of us naturally predicted they would be, but it turns out that isn’t going to be the case.

Regarding Chakotay, when I interviewed the Hagemans, I asked if Beltran and Chakotay and the other actors announced at the same time were the original crew of the Protostar, and they said they weren’t. Were they just protecting a spoiler, or is there some nuance to this?

In that instance it was a miscommunication–they misheard and thought the question was whether Doctor Noum (Jason Alexander), Ensign Asencia (Jameela Jamil), and Commander Tysess (Daveed Diggs) were the former crew of the Protostar. I can confirm that they are not Chakotay’s crew on the Protostar, but Chakotay was indeed the former captain. We couldn’t clarify that until now without it being a spoiler.

That got me thinking, who will this crew be, then? And ‪‪I figure my best guess right now is that they’re the crew sent to get the Protostar from the Delta Quadrant.

My working theory is that Chakotay and the original crew of the Protostar are sent back in time by the anomaly mentioned his recording in Kobayashi to over 17 years ago, possibly 2 decades or more. They’re boarded, as mentioned in the recording from Chakotay that mentioned the anomaly, and the aliens boarding are the Vau N’Akat.

Somehow Chakotay and the Protostar crew end up getting blamed for the destruction of Solum, or its people, the Vau N’Akat, leaving the Diviner one of/the last of his kind. Chakotay knows that he should try to preserve the timeline and hides the Protostar inside Tars Lamora before taking the long way back to the Federation, where after maybe 25 years he makes it home to the Federation to explain what happened, and he’s sent to retrieve the Protostar from the Delta Quadrant along with this new crew.

And maybe the anomaly that Chakotay mentioned is somehow also an explanation for the many typically Alpha and Beta Quadrant species being in the Delta Quadrant.

Is it almost certainly wrong? Yes! But maybe pieces of it will line up!

 

[Commander Troi]

Is it almost certainly wrong? Yes!

 

[DaveyNY]

What if MURF is the anomaly?
How did he/she end up on Tars Lamora to begin with?

Perhaps the Protostar and Murf arrived at the same time?

 

[Tuskin38]

Character Break Down Leak Spoilers

Spoiler

https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/12/01/star-trek-prodigy-characters/

A character breakdown leak that is most likely real (it had the name of Gwyn's species several months before it was officially revealed), does mention a female Ferengi named Nandi. I saw people speculating that next weeks episode could have Ferengi in it based on the title

There's also a mention of a member of Gwyn's species disguised as a starfleet officer, also trying to find the ship

Our last character is Vezria. I’m honestly not sure what to make of her. The standard part of her description states that she’s in her 30s and hunting for the missing ship by pretending to be an Ensign in Starfleet. She’s very intelligent and is skilled at manipulating people. She’s determined to get revenge for her people and destroy the Federation.

That’s all fairly straight forward, right? Here’s what tripped me up. In order to pose as an Ensign, she’s “disguising her true Vau N’Akat form”.

This doesn't line up with the Diviner thinking he's the last of his species. But it's entirely possible he doesn't know there are other survivors.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Character Break Down Leak Spoilers

Spoiler

https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/12/01/star-trek-prodigy-characters/

A character breakdown leak that is most likely real (it had the name of Gwyn's species several months before it was officially revealed), does mention a female Ferengi named Nandi. I saw people speculating that next weeks episode could have Ferengi in it based on the title

There's also a mention of a member of Gwyn's species disguised as a starfleet officer, also trying to find the ship


This doesn't line up with the Diviner thinking he's the last of his species. But it's entirely possible he doesn't know there are other survivors.

Spoiler

Doctor Noum has already been confirmed as to be played by Jason Alexander in a future episode. Given that we have a large amount of future Starfleet officers, I wonder if we're going to be seeing flashbacks, and Vezria was a saboteur on the Protostar who may have died (Gwyn's mother?).

 

[DaveyNY]

and Vezria was a saboteur on the Protostar who may have died (Gwyn's mother?).

I thought Gwyn was a clone of the Diviner?

 

[bryce]

The Diviner's henchman said that before the Diviner, people had been looking for the Protostar for *years*. Apparently the Protostar was a bit of legend. THEN he clones Gwyn, and spent another 17 years looking for it himself.

So there is NO WAY this is "just a few years" after Voyager got home.

Heck, that uniform that Chakotay was wearing looked like it could be the uniform that will come AFTER the current Picard era. Or possibily even a variant of the Picard era Starfleet uniform, maybe designed especially for the Protostar crew. Seriously, check it out - it looks almost exactly the same, but that little part in the front where the black part dips down is upside down triangle shaped, where as that same feature on the "current" Starfleet uniforms in the first season of Picard is more squared or rectangular cut.

Plus the super advanced look of the Protostar's interior and tech look a lot closer to a ship from the Picard era, or actually just after. Stuff like the glass topped bridge and all the free floating holograms that you can fly the ship with, all look like something from that time period.

And that is just when I think that the Protostar was launched! Then it had to be in the Delta Quadrant long enough for people to have spent "years" looking for it *before* the Diviner started looking - *then* add another 17 years after that for Gwyn to grow the be 17.

As for where the series is headed. At the start of last week's episode, when all the kids but Dal voted to go to the Federation, I wonder how they were keep making excuses to not take the ship back to the Federation? (Where Starfleet would have surely confiscated the ship.)

But then, after seeing the revelation at the end of the episode, I thought "Rescue Mission"!!! To find and rescue Chakotay and the rest of his crew. Who by my reckoning, have been trapped or held hostage for at least 2 decades.

Anyway, that's just my 2 slips of latinum.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

The Diviner's henchman said that before the Diviner, people had been looking for the Protostar for *years*. Apparently the Protostar was a bit of legend. THEN he clones Gwyn, and spent another 17 years looking for it himself.

So there is NO WAY this is "just a few years" after Voyager got home.

Heck, that uniform that Chakotay was wearing looked like it could be the uniform that will come AFTER the current Picard era. Or possibily even a variant of the Picard era Starfleet uniform, maybe designed especially for the Protostar crew. Seriously, check it out - it looks almost exactly the same, but that little part in the front where the black part dips down is upside down triangle shaped, where as that same feature on the "current" Starfleet uniforms in the first season of Picard is more squared or rectangular cut.

Plus the super advanced look of the Protostar's interior and tech look a lot closer to a ship from the Picard era, or actually just after. Stuff like the glass topped bridge and all the free floating holograms that you can fly the ship with, all look like something from that time period.

And that is just when I think that the Protostar was launched! Then it had to be in the Delta Quadrant long enough for people to have spent "years" looking for it *before* the Diviner started looking - *then* add another 17 years after that for Gwyn to grow the be 17.

As for where the series is headed. At the start of last week's episode, when all the kids but Dal voted to go to the Federation, I wonder how they were keep making excuses to not take the ship back to the Federation? (Where Starfleet would have surely confiscated the ship.)

But then, after seeing the revelation at the end of the episode, I thought "Rescue Mission"!!! To find and rescue Chakotay and the rest of his crew. Who by my reckoning, have been trapped or held hostage for at least 2 decades.

Anyway, that's just my 2 slips of latinum.

In the flashback to Gwyn’s creation, 17 years ago, the stardate is the equivalent of 2366. 17 years later is 2383, 5 years after Voyager’s return to the Alpha Quadrant.

Clearly Chakotay and Hologran Janeway were launched after Voyager’s return, but in the recording Chakotay mentions they’re encountering an anomaly, which is the most likely explanation for the time wonkiness, a time anomaly that sent the Protostar back in time some 17+ years.