Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x09 - "wej Duj"

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  1. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Being aliens it might look different depending on which organs and area of the body are punctured.
     
  2. Brobdingnag

    Brobdingnag Captain Red Shirt

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    They also have a damn good immune system because they keep cutting their hands with knives of questionable cleanliness and never get any infections (they did that back in the days of Kahless when they were pretty much in a medieval state of hygiene).
     
  3. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Could simply be the difference between arterial and venous blood
     
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  4. SolarisOne

    SolarisOne Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Or maybe any potential bondmate would be put off by her being so unstable. She's practically V'tosh ka'tur! /s
     
  5. Charles Phipps

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    I the novels said it was low gravity having a weird effect on Klingon blood.
     
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  6. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    Klingon blood is always at war with it's self. One heart pumps pink and the other red. When the two meet a Klingon goes berserk.
     
  7. fireproof78

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    The Klingons have a humor system as suggested by the great medicine chief H'poc Ates.
     
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  8. Mr. Laser Beam

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    "How many Klingons does it take to change a light bulb?"
    "NONE! Klingons are not afraid to fight in the dark! And G.E. is without honor!"

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  9. Charles Phipps

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    I'm surprised Klingon Boimler didn't blow up the Pakled vessel.
     
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  10. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

    Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs Commodore Commodore

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    These episodes just keep getting better with time. I love it when Adult animation sitcoms do the 'unconventional story telling structure' episodes, and this one had the benefit of having excellent new characters that are just as interesting as our mains.

    But my absolute FAVORITE part of this episode is seeing everyone running to battle stations dressed up in all the familiar ridiculous things 24th era Starfleeters do on their time off.
     
  11. Jedman67

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    Amazing episode. The Pakleds are basically Chris from Family Guy, and the Borg LD :lol: 10/10
     
  12. Tim Thomason

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    Yeah, my presumption is that the Klingons should've joined the fight against the Pakleds, but then that would lead to questions of their changed loyalties, and the Vulcans and Cerritos would've been on them like crazy in disbelief (even if they understand how Klingons operate on a Von Stauffenberg system of Captaincy), and I think he made the right call to go directly to the High Council (I presume) and notify them ahead of time on what had happened.

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    As for the Klingon blood, my presumption has always been:
    * Red = Traditional Klingon Blood
    * Pink = Klingon Blood for those mutated in some experiments to reverse the Augment Virus.

    We see pink blood in Star Trek VI, Discovery, and now Lower Decks. But other Star Trek movies (Star Trek III and Generations) and other episodes of Discovery (T'Kuvma's death and Kol's facepaint) show red blood.

    I felt it safe to assume that blood chemistry was fixed by the time of the TNG era, and Gorkon was just previously a Disco-era Klingon (and, per T'Kuvma's death, not all Disco Klingons were pink-bloods). wej Duj shows us that pink blood persists in a number of individuals on Dorg's ship at least, even if it seems to be a minority (as in, never seen) elsewhere. This could be the result of Klingon segregation of surviving pink bloods. Of course, Dorg and Togg could've been related, descended from a pink blood clan. It could also be somewhat of an explanation for Dorg's descent into unfavoritism, if the pink bloods are more akin to rebelling against the current Cancellarial Reign.

    Colonel Worf could tell the difference on sight between Klingon (pink) blood and Human (red) blood in Star Trek VI, but this could be the result of pink-blood segregation. A red-blood (like Commander Kruge and crew) would not be allowed in the presence of the Chancellor, and thus it was curious that a red-blood was involved at Khitomer. Colonel Worf's "grandson" was a red blood, but we don't know much about the House of Mogh and its mating practices with red blood women in the next two generations or so. Even unmasking Colonel West in that scene didn't tell Worf for sure that it wasn't a Klingon, and only a thorough scan later on would determine that it wasn't a flathead or species reassignment individual they were dealing with.
     
  13. Jedman67

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    Klingon blood was always red, it was changed to pink only for TUC in order to bypass an R rating or something like that. I just figure LD made it pink as a cute callback to the movies. No need to twist yourself into a pretzel trying to figure out how to make it work. That way lies madness.
     
  14. cooleddie74

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    DSC also did it in a combat sequence involving L'Rell, Ash Tyler and Georgiou. Some Klingons wounded or killed in that battle bled pinkish blood.
     
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  15. Tim Thomason

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    I know. I've examined the issue thoroughly, multiple times over the years. Lower Decks didn't bring back pink blood, Discovery did (in "Point of Light" only). Point of Light is (I believe) the only Season 2 episode of Discovery rated TV-MA, after they consciously made an effort to lower their rating system to something more akin to Star Trek of old.

    One wonders if the pink blood in Point of Light was a conscious (and failed) choice to keep the rating low. Point of Light, of course, has the infant beheading, so it was pretty much a lost cause. wej Duj is certainly doing a call back (Ma'ah even says "Klingon blood runs as reddish-pink as ever", a funny line that may be trying to note the disparity), but there may yet be a way to tie the three appearances of pink blood versus twelve+ appearances of red blood (I haven't done a full count yet) given to Klingons.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    Have you met Star Trek fans? Lewis Carroll has nothing on this bunch.
     
  17. Bork359

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    The Vulcan officer's line "she's out of control" was the funniest bit of dialogue in the episode.
     
  18. JirinPanthosa

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    This was a really good epsiode. Lower Decks of other ships. A Klingon power struggle ending up with a Klingon raising his bat'leth then going for the heart under it, like every Klingon fight.

    More than any other Lower Decks ep this is pure Star Trek.
     
  19. Tuskin38

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    Interview with Mike about this episode
    https://blog.trekcore.com/2021/10/interview-star-trek-lower-decks-mike-mcmahan-wej-duj-three-ships/

    There were hints to this reveal all the way back in Episode 2. The Pakleds were using Klingon disruptors, they were mining what was needed for the Bomb.

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    confirmed for Season 3 tho
     
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  20. Jedman67

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    Discovery has made its own canon. While I haven't seen that episode, DSC klingons look quite different than TNG+ klingons, so redesigned blood for DSC shouldn't be taken to mean that maybe SOME klingons have the pink blood and SOME have the red blood or whatnot.