Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

[mswood]

What a weird hypothesis. Star Trek fans don't like Dune, because Patrick Stewart doesn't, he says on a 125 page thread about Dune on a science fiction forum, while Dune is the number 1 movie in (nearly?) every country it is currently released in.

I have noticed more people posting reviews in this thread and not going to the spoiler/rating thread.

Not a slight against Dune or another major release at this time. But this time is typically a rather dead zone for film releases. But thanks to a lack of general films, and a surplus of films that have bene waiting for release. We have a weird situations where we have fewer films in marketplaces than typical for even this time of the year. But we have bigger players that would normally stay away from September and October release dates like the plague.

So even with some people still not willing to go to the movies. You have others who have said they are just tied of waiting and will go regardless. And are desperate to see films, be it serious art house, too wide based broad pure escapism films.

Any big budget film (unless playing in market where those films never perform well) should be the number one film at launch. If they aren't that is a massive massive red flag for that film.

 

[mswood]

Oh there will be an announcement that the sequel has been greenlit, regardless of international box office. Likely the day before the movie opens in N. America. And it will be meaningless PR, just like all the "leaks" at Venice about the sequel.

It's the formal commencement of pre production that will mean a sequel is actually happening, not an announcement.

Yeah, most people who actually pay serious attention to take of ticket sales understand that while China can be a significant market, but for cut is one of the lowest in the world. In general North America gets for US films the highest cut of ticket sale (but there are some exceptions). And Disney releases (that are specifically Marvel, Pixar and Star Wars) have got higher than most other successful properties. But there are many markets that get lower than the US standard 60% on initial release.

Now of course many studio execs initially saw China, a market that used to have zero US releases (for the most part), so even at a much smaller take its still. huge, huge growth opportunity. But they also hoped that has time progressed that that two things might also happen. That the times films could be released (and how long a run they were allowed) would extend and that as outside films became more common that the percentage of take would increase more. Those things haven't happened. And in fact the success of outsidE production has raised the bar on the scope and production quality of China releases.

 

[theenglish]

I personally love the Dune books (well, the first three and the sidequels co-written by Herbert's son), and while they aren't very similar to Star Trek I don't see any reason why many people couldn't be fans of both.

I agree. I have never subscribed to the idea that scifi/fantasy fandom should be at war with itself over which franchise is best. Star Wars vs Star Trek, DC vs. Marvel, DS9 vs. B5. These are all just idiotic rivalries when the vast majority of us welcome and are fans of multiple franchises and fictional worlds.

 

[saddestmoon]

You guys are still Oct 21st? I thought you got pushed back to December, like Australia

Unless that is the case, local cinema still has the 21st listed as the date of release:

http://www.flicks.co.nz/movie/dune-2021

 

[Kai "the spy"]

International box office total is at $76.5 million now, with only slight drop-offs from last weekend in the Netherlands (-12%), Denmark (-17%), Finland (-22%), and Germany (-23%).

 

[wayoung]

Turned on TV TV for the first time in months for Fox cartoons. First Simpsons break, Dune commercial. Feels more real seeing an ad on tv

 

[The Wormhole]

I had a similar thought when I saw a Dune commercial on during The Walking Dead last night.

 

[FPAlpha]

So can we start the countdown clock until the announcement for Part 2?

 

[wayoung]

So can we start the countdown clock until the announcement for Part 2?

I already started a thread the day before part 1 came out
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/dune-part-2-2023-24-25-26.308931/

 

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[FPAlpha]

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[wayoung]

Looks like this is still developing as there is a "more to come" tag, but basically the CEO acknowledges WB screwed up by rushing the decision & announcement and failing to hold discussions with producing partners and creatives impacted.

Which, duh.

He isn't saying it is the wrong decision, despite Disney's success moving away from it this month and Sonys refusal to do it next month.

Will be interesting to see what gets said a year from now when the final tallies are in, the new ownership takes over, and people are far enough away to speak without impacting finances.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/jason-kilar-warnermedia-hbo-max-1235022330/

 

[wayoung]

McAvoy was asked about his time on Dune, and his thoughts on the new movie.

When asked about the new adaptation, McAvoy said this:

“It’s dead exciting,” McAvoy said. “Those were a bunch of books, I mean, I’ve read them all cover to cover, and I love those books. They’re crazy. As they get into their final two or three books, I mean, the level of bonkers is unparalleled. But I love them. And so I’m dead excited to see what he does. He’s a brilliant filmmaker. A brilliant maker of science fiction. And I do love my science fiction, as well as fantasy. So yeah, I’m whetting my lips.”

He also quotes Claudia Black telling him that most sci-fi is bad writing

"However, McAvoy did get good advice for starring in projects like “Dune” from “Farscape” actress Claudia Black. “It was at the L.A. premiere of ‘Children of Dune,’ and she said to me, that the thing with this shit, i.e. science fiction, is that you have to believe it more than you believe good writing,” the actor said. “Good writing, you can just do. It’s easier. But this stuff is hard, because it’s so bonkers, you know what I mean? I’ve really, I’ve always remembered that advice and taken it to heart.”"



https://www.indiewire.com/2021/09/james-mcavoy-dune-miniseries-lesson-1234667870/

 

[kirk55555]

He also quotes Claudia Black telling him that most sci-fi is bad writing

"However, McAvoy did get good advice for starring in projects like “Dune” from “Farscape” actress Claudia Black. “It was at the L.A. premiere of ‘Children of Dune,’ and she said to me, that the thing with this shit, i.e. science fiction, is that you have to believe it more than you believe good writing,” the actor said. “Good writing, you can just do. It’s easier. But this stuff is hard, because it’s so bonkers, you know what I mean? I’ve really, I’ve always remembered that advice and taken it to heart.”"



https://www.indiewire.com/2021/09/james-mcavoy-dune-miniseries-lesson-1234667870/

Well, that's bullshit. Most Sci Fi isn't "bad writing". From someone who wouldn't have any kind of notable career without SciFi TV like Black, thats a really ignorant thing to say. I can't wait to see if she's also shit on video games, aka the only other place where she's had significant success as a (voice) actress.

McAvoy is also kind of a dick for agreeing with the advice, but at least he'd still have a notable career without his Sci Fi/Sci Fi adjacent roles, so its less of a "biting the hand that feeds you" statement.

 

[FPAlpha]

Well, that's bullshit. Most Sci Fi isn't "bad writing". From someone who wouldn't have any kind of notable career without SciFi TV like Black, thats a really ignorant thing to say. I can't wait to see if she's also shit on video games, aka the only other place where she's had significant success as a (voice) actress.

McAvoy is also kind of a dick for agreeing with the advice, but at least he'd still have a notable career without his Sci Fi/Sci Fi adjacent roles, so its less of a "biting the hand that feeds you" statement.

I don't think she meant classics like Dune, Asimov's works, Bradbury etc. and more the TV/movie Science Fiction, which more or less sacrifices a good story for spectacle and action ( which sells way more tickets/books than cerebral works). Let's be honest - the Stargate franchise, which she was part of, was mediocre from the writing point as well as some Star Trek episodes ( while others were absolutely brilliant).

I remember years ago you getting on my back because i said that the Star Wars Expanded universe books were mediocre when you get down and really read them objectively. However that doesn't mean i can't enjoy them, it's just that they are not that memorable and won't be read in the decades to come unlike Asimov or Herbert's Dune series.

 

[thribs]

Well at least you can’t spoil this movie.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

He also quotes Claudia Black telling him that most sci-fi is bad writing

And still, the game of Internet telephone plays on.

You're misreading what Black allegedly said and putting words in her mouth.

First of all, no one there is quoting Black. The cited piece is an article quoting McAvoy, who is relating his recollection about what Black said to him nearly twenty (18-ish) years ago. Secondly, McAvoy did not relate that Black told him that "most sci-fi is bad writing." What she allegedly said were words to the effect that good writing alone isn't enough to sell science fiction, because, unlike other genres, sci-fi involves premises that are "so bonkers," in McAvoy's words.

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/09/james-mcavoy-dune-miniseries-lesson-1234667870/

 

[wayoung]

And still, the game of Internet telephone plays on.

You're misreading what Black allegedly said and putting words in her mouth.

First of all, no one there is quoting Black. The cited piece is an article quoting McAvoy, who is relating his recollection about what Black said to him nearly twenty (18-ish) years ago. Secondly, McAvoy did not relate that Black told him that "most sci-fi is bad writing." What she allegedly said were words to the effect that good writing alone isn't enough to sell science fiction, because, unlike other genres, sci-fi involves premises that are "so bonkers," in McAvoy's words.

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/09/james-mcavoy-dune-miniseries-lesson-1234667870/

...He literally said she calls it shit and says it's harder to perform than good writing...

"and she said to me, that the thing with this shit, i.e. science fiction, is that you have to believe it more than you believe good writing,” the actor said. “Good writing, you can just do. It’s easier. But this stuff is hard, because it’s so bonkers, you know what I mean? I’ve really, I’ve always remembered that advice and taken it to heart.”""

 

[CorporalCaptain]

...He literally said she calls it shit

From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shit:

: STUFF
He left all of his shit lying around the living room.​

Colloquialisms, how do they work? What do they mean?