Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

[wayoung]

From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shit:

: STUFF
He left all of his shit lying around the living room.​

Colloquialisms, how do they work? What do they mean?

and then he continues, having her directly contrast it to "good writing".

"that the thing with this shit, i.e. science fiction, is that you have to believe it more than you believe good writing,” the actor said. “Good writing, you can just do. It’s easier. But this stuff is hard, because it’s so bonkers"

You can interpret his words anyway you like, but I don't appreciate being accused of distorting what he said when I'm using a direct quote from the article.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

and then he continues, having her directly contrast it to "good writing".

"that the thing with this shit, i.e. science fiction, is that you have to believe it more than you believe good writing,” the actor said. “Good writing, you can just do. It’s easier. But this stuff is hard, because it’s so bonkers"

You can interpret his words anyway you like, but I don't appreciate being accused of distorting what he said when I'm using a direct quote from the article.

Not even IndieWire represents McAvoy as quoting Black. The word for what was done is paraphrasing.

To say that McAvoy quoted Black is a misrepresentation, not to mention, she is never represented as having called it bad writing, both of which you allege. That she implied sci-fi was bad writing (back in 2003, by the way) is your interpretation, and based on what's in the IndieWire article I believe that was not the intended meaning.

Hell, the word "bad" does not occur in the article anywhere at all, and I think that by "shit" what was meant was simply "stuff." Even if we're supposed to believe that she meant that the writing in sci-fi isn't good, a premise that I don't agree with (I've already explained what I think it does mean), I live in a world where, between good and bad, there are many shades in between. Don't you?

 

[wayoung]

Not even IndieWire represents McAvoy as quoting Black. The word for what was done is paraphrasing.

To say that McAvoy quoted Black is a misrepresentation, not to mention, she is never represented as having called it bad writing, both of which you allege. That she implied sci-fi was bad writing (back in 2003, by the way) is your interpretation, and based on what's in the IndieWire article I believe that was not the intended meaning.

Hell, the word "bad" does not occur in the article anywhere at all, and I think that by "shit" what was meant was simply "stuff." Even if we're supposed to believe that she meant that the writing in sci-fi isn't good, a premise that I don't agree with (I've already explained what I think it does mean), I live in a world where, between good and bad, there are many shades in between. Don't you?

It's pretty hilarious that you're floundering about trying to re-interpret what McAvoy said and yet at the same time accusing me of distorting his words, when I'm using the direct quotes and you're searching for alternative interpretations.

Like I said, believe what you want, but don't go accusing me of making it up and putting words in people's mouths when the man literally says she called it shit and directly contrasted it to good writing twice.

And with this, I'm done having this convo with you.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I'm confused. Are we supposed to be angry about something an actress may or may not have said close to twenty years ago? Is fandom really that insecure?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Perhaps it's like A C Clarke's story "The Nine Billion Names of God". When every single possible inane topic of discussion has been dredged up on the Internet, the stars will go out.

Also this variant:
Nine Billion Names of God

The nine billion names of god is program or bot that searches and downloads porn files on the internet. The program is 'trained' to find instances of orgasms within the porn clip where the word 'God' is uttered. It uses the tropes of artificial intelligence and machine learning to piece together a downloadable .mp3 file.

 

[wayoung]

I'm confused. Are we supposed to be angry about something an actress may or may not have said close to twenty years ago? Is fandom really that insecure?

I don't think we should feel anything about it, I was posting what a dune actor remembers from the premiere if his miniseries. So far looks like it's only two people who are bitching about it, one complaining about her, another claiming I'm making it up despite my merely posting what McAvoy said. If I thought it was actual news I'd have started a new thread, not posted it 127 pages deep in the Dune one.

What I was upset about us the user claiming I was making shit up when the quote and source are right there, not the quote itself.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm confused. Are we supposed to be angry about something an actress may or may not have said close to twenty years ago? Is fandom really that insecure?

Yes, it is. Because identity gets wrapped up in being a fan. Any perceived slight is meant personally as an insult, and deserving of a duel.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

At least Claudia Black had puppets to work against, poor McAvoy had blue screens and funny hats.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I'm confused. Are we supposed to be angry about something an actress may or may not have said close to twenty years ago? Is fandom really that insecure?

When a woman says it Yes, yes they are

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Rebecca Furguson was on Colbert last night to talk all things Dune. The first video includes a clip between Jessica and Leto.

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[The Lensman]

From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shit:

: STUFF
He left all of his shit lying around the living room.​

Colloquialisms, how do they work? What do they mean?

It’s sad that this even has to be explained.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Rebecca Furguson was on Colbert last night to talk all things Dune. The first video includes a clip between Jessica and Leto.

She admits she hasn't finished reading the book yet and doesn't know what happens to Jessica in Dune never mind in the sequels. Mind you, she is probably reading it in her second language so that might be a bit of a slog. She doesn't seem to know that she could potentially have two or three films lined up in the future.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

She admits she hasn't finished reading the book yet and doesn't know what happens to Jessica in Dune never mind in the sequels. Mind you, she is probably reading it in her second language so that might be a bit of a slog. She doesn't seem to know that she could potentially have two or three films lined up in the future.

To be fair to her, it is a dense novel especially if you don't know what you're getting into. My impression is she tried reading it before doing the film, but after doing it, she's giving it another go now that she has a better sense of the overall story and knows what to expect. Plus, as you said, English isn't her native language.

As for not knowing Jessica's future, it's possible she was just playing coy for Stephen's sake.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I'm guessing she doesn't know about Alia yet. I haven't seen the film so I don't know quite how far it goes. I assume it ends before Jessica takes the water of life.

 

[wayoung]

I'm not too concerned about actors not having read the book. They're making the movie according to Villeneuve's instructions, so

I am reminded of the story of MacLachlan, a fan of the book, reading the script and confronting Lynch about it, saying that he was ruining the book, and Lynch calmly telling MacLachlan that he wasn't hired to act in Frank Herbert's Dune, he was hired to act in David Lynch's Dune.

 

[FPAlpha]

To be fair to her, it is a dense novel especially if you don't know what you're getting into. My impression is she tried reading it before doing the film, but after doing it, she's giving it another go now that she has a better sense of the overall story and knows what to expect. Plus, as you said, English isn't her native language.

As for not knowing Jessica's future, it's possible she was just playing coy for Stephen's sake.

I'm pretty sure that the producers and Villeneuve talked to her about the general story and the plan to make at least 2 movies, it is a contractual thing i believe and criminally incompetent not to lock down a central actress contractually for the minimum amount of movies that are planned.

Some actors prefer not to read the source material in order not to affect their performance and others do or have already read the source material before they were considered by the role.

In any way they will all receive a script that is never a word for word retelling of the book, so at least they know what will happen in that movie and they have the director who gives them instructions on how to act a certain scene according to his plan.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I don't think CliffsNotes are available for Dune. I would recommend perhaps she watch Quinn's Ideas on YouTube.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

She admits she hasn't finished reading the book yet and doesn't know what happens to Jessica in Dune never mind in the sequels. Mind you, she is probably reading it in her second language so that might be a bit of a slog. She doesn't seem to know that she could potentially have two or three films lined up in the future.

Well they only filmed half the book, right?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Well they only filmed half the book, right?

It seemed like she thought Jessica doesn't survive but in the books, she's still around in Children of Dune.

 

[FPAlpha]

I don't think CliffsNotes are available for Dune. I would recommend perhaps she watch Quinn's Ideas on YouTube.

Most of the people could give her notes enough to do a decent Jessica within 10 minutes, if asked for we could occupy half her day by really going all in ( or just tell her to read this thread in its entirety)