Stargirl Season 2 - Discussion ( Spoiler Warning)

[Mr. Adventure]

Pat gets really careless about what he leaves in that spare room.

Surprisingly reflective episode for Stargirl, interesting to see a CW show where killing reverberates and is haunting. Poor Yolanda seems to get the brunt of these things but Yvette Monreal is probably the most up to the task of portraying it. Looks like Grundy is comiing back to roost as well. Not a lot of action but pretty good episode and effectively creepy as well.

 

[theenglish]

Overall I really liked this episode, but it used one of my most hated tropes, one that is too much overused in CW shows. When Yolanda is sharing her guilt with the team, Rick doesn't reveal his reason for not killing Grundy. If he had said that he couldn't bring himself to do it because he realized that Grundy may have not been truly guilty for his actions then it would have had more of a chance to lead to a bonding moment---but for plot reasons he didn't reveal that information.

Now if we find out that that is not the way he feels I will alter my opinion, but I don't think that is the case.

I am still interested in seeing how this season progresses, but I am expecting Jade, Thunderbolt and Grundy to join with the team in taking on but if they wait until the final episode or the end of the penultimate episode for that to happen-- well that is another trope I hate.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

So it looks like Brainwave has taken over Yolanda. That explains her quitting and abandoning her team.
I forgot that the team, besides Courtney didn’t know that she killed him. I just thought it was common knowledge.
I don’t know what the leeches represented. Something to do with Eclipso’s imprisonment perhaps?

I was wondering what I missed last week, and then just realized it's Wednesday. Getting old. And logging in to the show.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Looking at IMDB, that was the first script credit ever for Robbie Hyne who has worked as an assistant of Berlanti on Supergirl.

 

[Christopher]

I didn't care for this one. In principle, I like the idea of a character wrestling with guilt over killing, rather than just shrugging it off. But the overall tone was just too slow and eerie and gloomy and I just couldn't get into it. I guess the show deserves credit for being willing to take such a different tone after last week's big action-fest -- although that's probably largely because they blew their stunt budget on last week's big action-fest -- but it just didn't work for me.

 

[Commander Troi]

Light treason in exchange for heavy petting.

Nice turn of phrase there.

 

[CaptainWacky]

Yvette Monreal good actrres.

 

[Aragorn]

I was waiting for something more to come out of Mike, like, "I didn't mean to hit Icicle, but I didn't try to avoid him either." But I don't think the show wants to go there. Trauma for one character at a time.

 

[Dick Whitman]

https://ew.com/tv/dcs-stargirl-john-wesley-shipp-the-flash-photos/

First pictures released from episode 9 which airs a week from tomorrow Tuesday October 5th. Been wondering since John Wesley Shipp’s guest appearance was announced back in February how much would be revealed before it airs. There is a lot here.

Spoiler

Biggest surprise is that Jay Garrick’s suit is exactly the same the one he wears on The Flash. For months John has been saying it’s a different suit. Maybe to hide that this really is the same Jay on both series? It’s possible. Some of the original JSA are shown in a cemetery much older than in photos of them in costumes. Present day and they are still alive? Early in the season some fans noticed Henry Thomas no longer voices the original Dr Midnite. Presumably because he was unavailable to continue his larger on camera role this year. Disappointing. It must of always been the plan to set him up for bigger role. But maybe with COVID affecting travel he was not available? Total speculation. Very few fans have noticed that credit change yet and no official word

 

[Nerys Myk]

https://ew.com/tv/dcs-stargirl-john-wesley-shipp-the-flash-photos/

First pictures released from episode 9 which airs a week from tomorrow Tuesday October 5th. Been wondering since John Wesley Shipp’s guest appearance was announced back in February how much would be revealed before it airs. There is a lot here.

Spoiler

Biggest surprise is that Jay Garrick’s suit is exactly the same the one he wears on The Flash. For months John has been saying it’s a different suit. Maybe to hide that this really is the same Jay on both series? It’s possible. Some of the original JSA are shown in a cemetery much older than in photos of them in costumes. Present day and they are still alive? Early in the season some fans noticed Henry Thomas no longer voices the original Dr Midnite. Presumably because he was unavailable to continue his larger on camera role this year. Disappointing. It must of always been the plan to set him up for bigger role. But maybe with COVID affecting travel he was not available? Total speculation. Very few fans have noticed that credit change yet and no official word

Is he playing the same Jay he plays on The Flash or a Jay native to Court's Earth? Or maybe that's the same person?

 

[Dick Whitman]

Still unknown. Given Stargirl is a series that likes giving nuggets of backstory info I suspect we will get an answer or indirect allusion to it in that episode.

 

[Christopher]

Is he playing the same Jay he plays on The Flash or a Jay native to Court's Earth? Or maybe that's the same person?

I don't think it can be the same Jay. I thought that maybe the destruction of the original Earth-Two could've promoted Jay's Earth-Three to be the Earth-Two that Stargirl takes place on. But then I remembered that The Flash recently established that Jay and Joan Garrick now live on Earth-Prime, so Earth-Three must've been merged with Earth-One, Earth-38, and Black Lightning's unnumbered Earth.

For what it's worth, we have seen that some parallel-Earth doppelgangers of superheroes do wear the same costumes, e.g. some of the alternate Supermen seen in Crisis and Superman & Lois, or the various dead Earth-90 heroes glimpsed in the Elseworlds teaser.

 

[Commander Troi]

Overall I really liked this episode, but it used one of my most hated tropes, one that is too much overused in CW shows. When Yolanda is sharing her guilt with the team, Rick doesn't reveal his reason for not killing Grundy. If he had said that he couldn't bring himself to do it because he realized that Grundy may have not been truly guilty for his actions then it would have had more of a chance to lead to a bonding moment---but for plot reasons he didn't reveal that information.

I don't think Rick knows why yet. He uses "my hour was up" as his excuse, but he doesn't seem particularly reflective. Plus, teenager - at that age (and a long while after!) I didn't know exactly why I did and didn't do things.

I spent a lot of this episode wondering the same thing Courtney does: "Was this Brainwave or... was it Eclipso? Or was it just in her head?" Ms. Monreal is *very* good. The speech in front of the others about which of them is willing to kill Eclipso was amazing. I wanted to slap her mom, though.

I was waiting for something more to come out of Mike, like, "I didn't mean to hit Icicle, but I didn't try to avoid him either." But I don't think the show wants to go there. Trauma for one character at a time.

I thought I did hear Mike admit that at the dinner table. Something like, "I didn't plan that, I was just driving."

 

[Aragorn]

I thought I did hear Mike admit that at the dinner table. Something like, "I didn't plan that, I was just driving."

Yes, it was something like that. They're trying to make it 100% accidental and not give him any trauma even though it would give him something to do.

 

[Christopher]

Yes, it was something like that. They're trying to make it 100% accidental and not give him any trauma even though it would give him something to do.

Huh? Since when was killing someone by accident not traumatic? It's a different kind of trauma and guilt from having done it on purpose, but that doesn't mean you could just blow it off and feel nothing.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Man, those Eclipso kids give me the heebie jeebies, not scary necessarily but makes your skin crawl. The story was a good way to show Beth’s “strength”. A bit on the slower side doing story building but kept my interest.

 

[thribs]

Would have worked better if his uncle wasn’t an asshole. You just watch thinking, “he deserved it.”

 

[Christopher]

Lately this has been more a horror show than a superhero show, and I'm not really into it. At least we finally get to see Grundy, though the CGI isn't that great. And there's some development for his relationship with Rick, too.

Eclipso has obviously seen the Boris Karloff Frankenstein, given the illusory scenario he depicted with the dead girl in the water.

I don't understand why sound effects editors always ignore sound delays. Anyone who's ever watched a fireworks show knows that there's a time lag between the sight of an explosion and the sound, but here the sound effects came at the same instant as the visuals. How do they not know that's wrong? Or how do they not care that it breaks the illusion?


Something weird is going on with The CW's website. I was able to watch Stargirl's new episode there as usual, but when I try to watch last night's Supergirl episode, it tells me it's only available on the CW app, which I can't install on my laptop since I don't have Windows 10. Is this just some kind of glitch? Will it be available on the site later? Or is this going to be a permanent thing now, so that I have to settle for watching The CW on my phone?

EDIT: Never mind -- turns out it was just some kind of temporary glitch.

 

[CaptainWacky]

The boy who plays kid Eclipso is good at being creepy that I'm wondering if he's a really good actor or if they just managed to find a really creepy kid to play the part.

 

[theenglish]

Huh? Since when was killing someone by accident not traumatic? It's a different kind of trauma and guilt from having done it on purpose, but that doesn't mean you could just blow it off and feel nothing.

I still have nightmares about the time I killed a dog almost thirty years ago.