The USS Thant is a Friendship class, really? A little on the nose and made me think of this:
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Did they proofread the chart? I am looking at the illustrations provided by Markonian. According to the chart, the Zheng He and the Le Guin are either Liu Ciuxin-type starships or Merian-class starships.
About the Merian-class, there is a USS Curie (NCC-81890) of the Merian-class in several Voyager novels.
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About the Merian-class, there is a USS Curie (NCC-81890) of the Merian-class in several Voyager novels.
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The writer of those novels is a writer on Discovery.
So it was probably intentional.
Le Guin was given by CBS as a Mars class on one of their art pieces released while Season 3 was airing. Zheng He is new though, so it could be either.
This art also uses the Registry number the Lix Ciuxin has in the book.
This is a big ol' cluster fuck.
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So, is there such a thing as a Merian class in the 32nd century? The way there appears to be an Intrepid class for at least the second time in UFP Starfleet history? That is, do we have a spare nameless design that could be associated with the Zheng He if not with the Le Guin?
Timo Saloniemi
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I think the idea is supposed to be that this isn't so much a second time that the UFP has an Intrepid Class, but that they've continued to have an Intrepid Class that gets refit every few generations. I thought the implication is that this is just a 32nd Century Intrepid Class refit in the vein of the Constitution Class Refit (which we only call to differentiate between the two) which is otherwise just called Constitution Class, which also continues to exist after all these years. I like the idea of the things that made the Enterprise "special" (refit classes, locked registry number with letters) have been passed onto other ships and classes as time goes on.
I disagree, I'm pretty sure it's intended to be a completely different class with the same name and similar shape.
It's also 100 meters longer.
The Janeway-class. Seeking coffee in nebulae for centuries!
There's been some confusion about 32nd century Starfleet using a registry suffix to denote a refit rather than a new ship like the 23rd/24th century Starfleet did. But with that said, I also tend to agree that ships like the Voyager-J, Tikhov-M, and Excalibur-M are new ships, despite their class names being the same as their 23rd/24th century namesakes. There's simply no way the 1400-meter Excalibur-M is the same ship as the 289-meter Excalibur-nil.
To clarify what I thought, I believe the Voyager-J is a new ship, the J of the line of Voyagers (and not a refit of the Voyager-I), that just happens to also be Intrepid Class, not that it is the same ship as the original Intrepid Class Voyager. The Intrepid Class itself would have gone through multiple refits in the 900 years, and eventually, a Voyager was made Intrepid Class again.
The Intrepid Class is basically the McRib of Starfleet, they brought it back every couple of hundred years for a limited time only.
Like if we saw the Enterprise-X or whatever and it is a future Galaxy class, it wouldn't be a refit of the D for various reasons, but it could be a refit of a contiguous Galaxy class across the years. Starfleet might have began treating entire classes as "special" eventually. Like the Intrepid Class, first class to cross the Delta Quadrant, is immortalized by never being retired and the class remains in service forever, refit over time. This is how I interpret it until something is more explicit.
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The duplication in the chart for the Mars- and Merian-class ships is easily resolved. The "other ships" were simply pasted over from the Mars class. We know that both the Liu Cixin and the Le Guin are Mars class ships.
As for the Merian class, only one ship of its class was seen in the portions set in 3189, therefore we can say for now there are no other Merian-class ships besides the Curie-J.
As for the Merian class, only one ship of its class was seen in the portions set in 3189, therefore we can say for now there are no other Merian-class ships besides the Curie-J.
Here's an updated list of Starfleet-affiliated ships of the 4th millennium (includes ships from the DSC novel Wonderlands).
Sorted by registry number from low to high. (My apologies for the wall of text).
Starfleet ships of Star Trek: Discovery (31st – 32nd century)
1. USS Discovery (NCC-1031-A, Crossfield class), active (3189)
2. USS Tikhov (NCC-1067-M, seed vault ship), active (3189)
3. USS Excalibur (NCC-1664-M, Constitution class), active (3189)
4. USS Yelchin (NCC-4774-E, Black Box #1), destroyed (3069)
5. USS Voyager (NCC-74656-J, Intrepid (Janeway) class), active (3189)
6. USS Curie (NCC-81890-J, Merian class), active (3189)
7. KSF Khi’eth (KSF- 971014, Kelpien research vessel), wrecked (3064)
8. USS Armstrong (NCC-317856, Constitution class), active (3189)
9. USS Giacconi (NCC-316608, Black Box #3), destroyed (3069)
10. USS Yang (NCC-321616, Friendship class), active (3189)
11. USS Noble (NCC-325002, Constitution class), active (3189)
12. USS Thant (NCC-325005, Friendship class), active (3189)
13. USS Yousafzai (NCC-325010, Friendship class), active (3189)
14. USS LaMar (NCC-325015, Dresselhaus type), active (3189)
15. USS Pfau (NCC-325017, Dresselhaus type), active (3189)
16. USS Dresselhaus (NCC-325019, Dresselhaus type), active (3189)
17. USS Maathai (NCC-325023, Angelou class), active (3189)
18. USS Annan (NCC-325051, Saturn class), active (3189)
19. USS Zheng He (NCC-325057, Mars class), active (3189)
20. USS Le Guin (NCC-325059 / NCC-325060, Mars class), active (3189)
21. USS Liu Cixin (NCC-325060, Mars class), active (3189)
22. USS Cuyahoga (NCC-325069, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
23. USS Grechko (NCC-325071, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
24. USS Jubayr (NCC-325068 / NCC-325080, Courage class), active (3189)
25. USS Nog (NCC-325070 / NCC-325071, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
26. USS Hansando (NCC-325072, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
27. USS Shogun (NCC-325082, Courage class), active (3189)
28. USS Song (NCC-325084, Courage class), active (3189)
29. USS Coloma (NCC-…, Federation mining vessel), active (3189)
30. USS Gav’Nor (NCC-…, Black Box #2), destroyed (3069)
31. USS Hiraga Gennai (NCC-…, unknown), destroyed (3064)
32. USS Maryam Mirzakhani (NCC-…, science vessel), destroyed (3064)
33. SS Foresight (civilian emergency transport), active (3189)
34. Wanderer class
35. Nirvana-class flyer Alice (Burnham’s courier ship) , active (3188)
Sorted by registry number from low to high. (My apologies for the wall of text).
Starfleet ships of Star Trek: Discovery (31st – 32nd century)
1. USS Discovery (NCC-1031-A, Crossfield class), active (3189)
2. USS Tikhov (NCC-1067-M, seed vault ship), active (3189)
3. USS Excalibur (NCC-1664-M, Constitution class), active (3189)
4. USS Yelchin (NCC-4774-E, Black Box #1), destroyed (3069)
5. USS Voyager (NCC-74656-J, Intrepid (Janeway) class), active (3189)
6. USS Curie (NCC-81890-J, Merian class), active (3189)
7. KSF Khi’eth (KSF- 971014, Kelpien research vessel), wrecked (3064)
8. USS Armstrong (NCC-317856, Constitution class), active (3189)
9. USS Giacconi (NCC-316608, Black Box #3), destroyed (3069)
10. USS Yang (NCC-321616, Friendship class), active (3189)
11. USS Noble (NCC-325002, Constitution class), active (3189)
12. USS Thant (NCC-325005, Friendship class), active (3189)
13. USS Yousafzai (NCC-325010, Friendship class), active (3189)
14. USS LaMar (NCC-325015, Dresselhaus type), active (3189)
15. USS Pfau (NCC-325017, Dresselhaus type), active (3189)
16. USS Dresselhaus (NCC-325019, Dresselhaus type), active (3189)
17. USS Maathai (NCC-325023, Angelou class), active (3189)
18. USS Annan (NCC-325051, Saturn class), active (3189)
19. USS Zheng He (NCC-325057, Mars class), active (3189)
20. USS Le Guin (NCC-325059 / NCC-325060, Mars class), active (3189)
21. USS Liu Cixin (NCC-325060, Mars class), active (3189)
22. USS Cuyahoga (NCC-325069, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
23. USS Grechko (NCC-325071, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
24. USS Jubayr (NCC-325068 / NCC-325080, Courage class), active (3189)
25. USS Nog (NCC-325070 / NCC-325071, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
26. USS Hansando (NCC-325072, Eisenberg class), active (3189)
27. USS Shogun (NCC-325082, Courage class), active (3189)
28. USS Song (NCC-325084, Courage class), active (3189)
29. USS Coloma (NCC-…, Federation mining vessel), active (3189)
30. USS Gav’Nor (NCC-…, Black Box #2), destroyed (3069)
31. USS Hiraga Gennai (NCC-…, unknown), destroyed (3064)
32. USS Maryam Mirzakhani (NCC-…, science vessel), destroyed (3064)
33. SS Foresight (civilian emergency transport), active (3189)
34. Wanderer class
35. Nirvana-class flyer Alice (Burnham’s courier ship) , active (3188)
The 'Janeway-Class' re-name was only for STO, the developers have confirmed this, it was their decision not to go with the Intrepid name, not CBS's.
For the show, the class is still called Intrepid until stated otherwise.
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It would probably be confusing in game to have two playable classes be named Intrepid class and be very different. Honestly, Janeway Class sounds way better to me. I would have much preferred they not give legacy class names to these new designs. While I like the explanation of classes just existing for a thousand years, I don't like the idea a lot. But I definitely like it a lot more than Starfleet just naming new classes after old classes. That just feels....wrong.
Well, they already have 3 different Connies: TOS, DSC and Kelvin.
So the reasoning is a bit odd to me.
There’s no conflict.
The Voyager-J is an Intrepid class ship in general, and of the Janeway subclass in particular.
Same with the post-refit Constitution-class, Enterprise-subclass USS Enterprise.
In STO, various classes have variants with mutually interchangeable components, so there’s no problem for the Andromeda-class to be a modern variant of the Galaxy-class.
In the real world, some navy ships have been refitted into becoming new classes. Cars go through iterations that retain the legacy same and add something, like VW Golf series.
The Voyager-J is an Intrepid class ship in general, and of the Janeway subclass in particular.
Same with the post-refit Constitution-class, Enterprise-subclass USS Enterprise.
In STO, various classes have variants with mutually interchangeable components, so there’s no problem for the Andromeda-class to be a modern variant of the Galaxy-class.
In the real world, some navy ships have been refitted into becoming new classes. Cars go through iterations that retain the legacy same and add something, like VW Golf series.
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