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[Noname Given]

It will be continuity error if the Enterprise has a lot of rubber face regulars in Pike era. When the Enterprise had more humans than rubber faces in Kirk era (TOS). Also, it is also a canon violation too, as even McCoy still didn't understand too much about Vulcan and Klingon health, years after the event of this series.

So either McCoy was a stupid doctor in TOS, because he was surprised about Spock's blood color, confused on how to help a Klingon in Star Trek VI, or humans - Aliens interaction should be more limited in SNW era. Or you ask a reboot that change everything. If that what happen, a reboot, then the series should continue to TOS era again, and erase the old TOS canon.

I don't mind a reboot, but what about the other?

If anything's it's the TOS feature films that introduce a continuity error with respect to McCoy's knowledge of alien anatomy. During the TOS series McCoy was able to perform complex heart surgery on Spock's father Sarek; and have more than enough knowledge to diagnose and treat Spock on a number of occasions.

In TOS S2 - "The Trouble With Tribbles"; McCoy immediately recognized with one tricorder scan, that there was a Klingon agent surgically altered to appear human on Space Station K7.

For increased dramatic effect during the TOS feature film era, writers seem to like to make McCoy less knowledgeable on anything but human anatomy.

As far as the amount of alien integration into human crewed starships, once TAS aired, You saw many more alien crew members aboard the USS Enterprise because it didn't cost more money to draw aliens as compared to the cost of extra makeup for aliens on a live show.

Bottom line: No. Seeing more alien crew members on Christopher Pike's Enterprise, or having a CMO that actually knows a lot about alien physiology will not in any way be a continuity error.

 

[The Wormhole]

Besides, SNW is, for all intents and purposes, a spinoff of Disco. And we've seen plenty of aliens serving on the various Starfleet ships seen on Disco, including the Enterprise itself, so there's no reason to believe the Enterprise crew in SNW is going to suddenly become a homo sapiens only club save Spock.

 

[Tim Thomason]

There were tons of aliens on the Enterprise in TMP, probably more so than ever before or since (for the most part).

My presumption is that the TOS Enterprise is full of aliens too. They just don't appear onscreen, coincidentally, and the ones that do, all look very humanoid. Could be a makeup thing too (...this is where I refrain from mentioning my highly controversial "Yeoman Colt = Yeoman Colt" theory and bogging down the thread for another 12 pages...).

And McCoy was a boy genius, who's undergraduate medical work was still studied 120 years later. He just liked making fun of Spock and pretending he was a country bumpkin. So he doesn't know Klingon anatomy? Know one knows Klingon anatomy! Klingons don't have good doctors, Crusher doesn't know the fundamental concept of brak'lul 75 years later, the Klingons were a mythological warmongering boogeyman from 2151 to 2257 (including the entire time of McCoy's education). Where and why would McCoy study deeply into weird Klingon anatomical quirks? How does the fact that Gorkon seems to be a recovering flathead fit into things? Klingons seem in TUC to be a crazy hodge podge of hybridized human and OG Klingon parts, some doubled-up and some probably still affected by the mutations of the Discovery era.

 

[fireproof78]

There were tons of aliens on the Enterprise in TMP, probably more so than ever before or since (for the most part).

My presumption is that the TOS Enterprise is full of aliens too. They just don't appear onscreen, coincidentally, and the ones that do, all look very humanoid. Could be a makeup thing too (...this is where I refrain from mentioning my highly controversial "Yeoman Colt = Yeoman Colt" theory and bogging down the thread for another 12 pages...).

And McCoy was a boy genius, who's undergraduate medical work was still studied 120 years later. He just liked making fun of Spock and pretending he was a country bumpkin. So he doesn't know Klingon anatomy? Know one knows Klingon anatomy! Klingons don't have good doctors, Crusher doesn't know the fundamental concept of brak'lul 75 years later, the Klingons were a mythological warmongering boogeyman from 2151 to 2257 (including the entire time of McCoy's education). Where and why would McCoy study deeply into weird Klingon anatomical quirks? How does the fact that Gorkon seems to be a recovering flathead fit into things? Klingons seem in TUC to be a crazy hodge podge of hybridized human and OG Klingon parts, some doubled-up and some probably still affected by the mutations of the Discovery era.

Too reasonable. Must be a canon violation.

 

[ToddCam]

(...this is where I refrain from mentioning my highly controversial "Yeoman Colt = Yeoman Colt" theory and bogging down the thread for another 12 pages...).

And McCoy was a boy genius, who's undergraduate medical work was still studied 120 years later. He just liked making fun of Spock and pretending he was a country bumpkin. So he doesn't know Klingon anatomy? Know one knows Klingon anatomy! Klingons don't have good doctors, Crusher doesn't know the fundamental concept of brak'lul 75 years later, the Klingons were a mythological warmongering boogeyman from 2151 to 2257 (including the entire time of McCoy's education). Where and why would McCoy study deeply into weird Klingon anatomical quirks? How does the fact that Gorkon seems to be a recovering flathead fit into things? Klingons seem in TUC to be a crazy hodge podge of hybridized human and OG Klingon parts, some doubled-up and some probably still affected by the mutations of the Discovery era.

I probably will regret asking, but what is this Colt = Colt controversy?

And I love your thinking. Fans can be so literal and obsessed with dialogue as if people always said everything precisely and accurately, don't round things up or down, or throw in their opinions and predictions.

 

[captainkirk]

I probably will regret asking, but what is this Colt = Colt controversy?

Yeoman colt from The Cage is never referred to by name onscreen. A spiky alien in Such Sweet Sorrow is credited as Colt but also never called by name onscreen. People are unable to reconcile these things without convoluted theories involving human Colt mutating into alien Colt.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Yeoman colt from The Cage is never referred to by name onscreen. A spiky alien in Such Sweet Sorrow is credited as Colt but also never called by name onscreen. People are unable to reconcile these things without convoluted theories involving human Colt mutating into alien Colt.

Also, Cage Colt is never referred to as Human. She might be an alien without makeup on, for all we know.

 

[fireproof78]

And I love your thinking. Fans can be so literal and obsessed with dialogue as if people always said everything precisely and accurately, don't round things up or down, or throw in their opinions and prediction

Yup. There is a strict literalism applied to Trek that doesn't even work in art much less real life.

 

[captainkirk]

Also, Cage Colt is never referred to as Human. She might be an alien without makeup on, for all we know.

Given that the Talosians had her as an option for Pike to breed more humans with, I don't see that being likely. I find it much easier to accept that names in credits don't have to be taken literally. Otherwise, we have to conclude that Hendorff in the Kelvin-timeline is actually named Cupcake since that's how he was credited in Into Darkness.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Given that the Talosians had her as an option for Pike to breed more humans with, I don't see that being likely. I find it much easier to accept that names in credits don't have to be taken literally. Otherwise, we have to conclude that Hendorff in the Kelvin-timeline is actually named Cupcake since that's how he was credited in Into Darkness.

I don't take credits literally. I take word of producers literally. Sometimes. Since she's intended to be the same character, she's probably the same character. I don't remember this much pushback regarding "Cupcake" Hendorff, who also doesn't look much the same across timelines.

 

[Noname Given]

Given that the Talosians had her as an option for Pike to breed more humans with, I don't see that being likely. I find it much easier to accept that names in credits don't have to be taken literally. Otherwise, we have to conclude that Hendorff in the Kelvin-timeline is actually named Cupcake since that's how he was credited in Into Darkness.

Considering the telosians couldn't even repair a human properly (which is why Veena chose to remain behind); I wouldn't put too much stock in their ability to differentiate between species. They most likely just assume that everyone on the ship must have been of the same species.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I don't take credits literally. I take word of producers literally. Sometimes. Since she's intended to be the same character, she's probably the same character. I don't remember this much pushback regarding "Cupcake" Hendorff, who also doesn't look much the same across timelines.

Pretty sure Simon Pegg once said they had a list of lesser known TOS characters and they'd give them out randomly to extras.

 

[captainkirk]

Considering the telosians couldn't even repair a human properly (which is why Veena chose to remain behind); I wouldn't put too much stock in their ability to differentiate between species. They most likely just assume that everyone on the ship must have been of the same species.

It's been a while since I watched The Cage, but Vina was only born shortly before crashing to the planet wasn't she? So I would assume her memories of what humans are supposed to look like wouldn't be of any help. But Colt's mind they could easily scan and determine if that's her normal appearance.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It's been a while since I watched The Cage, but Vina was only born shortly before crashing to the planet wasn't she?

That was the illusory survivors' story for why she appeared so young. Number One later dug up that Vina had been an adult member of the crew.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Also, Cage Colt is never referred to as Human. She might be an alien without makeup on, for all we know.

TOS Colt is called an "Earth woman" by Pike, and possibly by the Talosians as well. So I'm guessing this means she's human. Even if the Talosians can't differentiate amongst humanoid species, Pike obviously can, so if Colt were anything other than human, Pike would have told the Talosians they can't interbreed.

I mean, obviously Colt has to be one or the other. She can't be both human and alien. So who's right? Could be both...I'm sure they're just separate characters who happen to have vaguely the same hairstyle. I mean, Colt in DSC is a science officer, isn't she? TOS Colt isn't. And at no point is either Colt ever addressed, onscreen, by their names.

As for the credits? They don't mean a lot. They can make mistakes. Captain Christopher in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", for example, is referred to in the credits as Major Christopher, yet is addressed by his correct rank several times in the episode. Also Uhura in one of the movies is mistakenly called "Uhuru" in the credits.

 

[fireproof78]

Obviously, we don't know either characters actual name since neither was ever addressed by name on screen.

 

[Noname Given]

It's been a while since I watched The Cage, but Vina was only born shortly before crashing to the planet wasn't she? So I would assume her memories of what humans are supposed to look like wouldn't be of any help. But Colt's mind they could easily scan and determine if that's her normal appearance.

No Vina was actually an adult crew member, and probably fairly old by the time Pike & Co. showed up to rescue her.

There is a line from Number One:

"There was a Vina listed as an adult crew member. Now adding 18 years to her age then..."

 

[captainkirk]

That was the illusory survivors' story for why she appeared so young. Number One later dug up that Vina had been an adult member of the crew.

No Vina was actually an adult crew member, and probably fairly old by the time Pike & Co. showed up to rescue her.

There is a line from Number One:

"There was a Vina listed as an adult crew member. Now adding 18 years to her age then..."

I stand corrected. Well, that just creates a plot hole since the Talosians should have been able to scan her memories of what she was supposed to look like before her injuries and reconstruct her more accurately.

 

[Tim Thomason]

This is why I didn't want to bring it up guys. But here goes:

TOS Colt is called an "Earth woman" by Pike, and possibly by the Talosians as well. So I'm guessing this means she's human.

Humans aren't the only people who live on Earth.

Even if the Talosians can't differentiate amongst humanoid species, Pike obviously can, so if Colt were anything other than human, Pike would have told the Talosians they can't interbreed.

Maybe they could interbreed, as is true of many Trek species. Or maybe, Pike was just not going to play their game and not offer them advice and tips on the breeding scheme.

I mean, obviously Colt has to be one or the other. She can't be both human and alien. So who's right?

Spock is both human and alien.

Could be both...I'm sure they're just separate characters who happen to have vaguely the same hairstyle.

Not according to Michelle Paradise.

I mean, Colt in DSC is a science officer, isn't she? TOS Colt isn't. And at no point is either Colt ever addressed, onscreen, by their names.

Three years allows for all sorts of transfer opportunities. Alien!Colt wouldn't be the first blueshirt Yeoman in Star Trek (see Tina Lawton).

The only "evidence" that the two characters are called Colt are from BTS sources. Goodwin played a character without credit attribution in "The Cage" and uncredited completely in "The Menagerie", while Dickinson did receive a credit ("Yeoman Colt") in "Such Sweet Sorrow". This is a pretty solid credit, similar to many other Trek characters only named in the credits, but appears to be ignored because of the implication of her being the same character as in The Cage.

As for the credits? They don't mean a lot. They can make mistakes. Captain Christopher in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", for example, is referred to in the credits as Major Christopher, yet is addressed by his correct rank several times in the episode. Also Uhura in one of the movies is mistakenly called "Uhuru" in the credits.

Yep. I was all for it being a mistake at the time, suggesting that Mann may have intended to be Colt. But Paradise says otherwise. It seems they intentionally dressed up Dickinson in that manner and then said she was Yeoman Colt.

 

[Tuskin38]

This is why I didn't want to bring it up guys. But here goes:

You also had the choice not to continue it.