Swearing in Star Trek - Steve Shives

[Weyoun 251]

I remain crushed that FARSCAPE's "frell' didn't catch on the way BSG's "frak" did.

It may be that when Farscape came out I was just the right age to enjoy the made up language but words such as "frell" and "dren" and even "boll yotz" just seemed to roll off the tongue and doesn't feel forced or unnatural.

Maybe it benefits from the actors doing a damn fine job and so making some otherwise weird words sound good but they also feel like they were used in script in an effective manner and they have the same "mouth feel" that "fuck" and "shit" do that makes them effective communicators of feeling/situation

 

[fireproof78]

I remain crushed that FARSCAPE's "frell' didn't catch on the way BSG's "frak" did.

Same, but Farscape swears are still my favorite fictional ones. I occasionally see frell bumper stickers.

Seriously? I feel the exact opposite (to the extent that I care about swearing at all). Are you my mirror universe double?

Potentially...

 

[cooleddie74]

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[1001001]

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The Goldbergs did a whole episode called “Yippee Ki Yay, Melon Farmer”.

 

[cooleddie74]

Sadly with Bruce's career a movie of nothing but overdubbed "family-friendly" obscenities would be a step up for him.

 

[fireproof78]

The Goldbergs did a whole episode called “Yippee Ki Yay, Melon Farmer”.

That was hilarious.

 

[Greg Cox]

Same, but Farscape swears are still my favorite fictional ones. I occasionally see frell bumper stickers..

I still chuckle when I remember Aeryn going "Merry Frelling Christmas!" before blowing some bad guys away.

Loved that show -- and not just because I worked on the books and magazine.

 

[fireproof78]

I still chuckle when I remember Aeryn going "Merry Frelling Christmas!" before blowing some bad guys away.

Loved that show -- and not just because I worked on the books and magazine.

Now I need to look at my magazines!

 

[Greg Cox]

Now I need to look at my magazines!

I wrote three or four short fiction pieces for the official FARSCAPE magazine, back in the day.

 

[oberth]

How can saving one billion lives just be swept under the rug by some shitty paper-pushing Admiral is beyond me

how the fuck do you know that - have you read her fucking bupers file? - she might be some sort of a jarhead

I don't have a problem with the word. I understand that it's the limitations of TV guidelines that meant 'Fuck' has never been uttered in previous Star Trek. But the result of that goes back to what I said about vocabulary. Half a century where it wasn't needed, so why is it needed now?

try allowed for needed (and think of eleanor roosevelt while doing so)

SPOCK: They like you very much. But they are not your fucking whales.
GILLIAN: I ...I suppose they told you that? Huh!
SPOCK: They fucking did.
GILLIAN: Right!

that would be totally okay as spock was told to use colourful expressions

I think where we disagree here is our definition of what is family friendly.

Weirdly, I remember SG1 being less graphic than 90s Trek - but I haven't watched it through for a while so I could be wrong!

yeah sure - no sex, no swearwords but a gazillion of jaffa shot to pieces. you are american, i guess?

The only Trek I saw as a kid was TOS. I’m old.

yep, and them klingons scared the shit out of me

Granted, a lot of us got hooked on Trek as kids, and "family-friendly" means different things to different folks, but, right from the beginning, STAR TREK was always meant to be more "adult" than, say, LOST IN SPACE or CAPTAIN VIDEO or whatever.

not here - they dubbed it as a kids show in germany

 

[fireproof78]

No sex is better in my opinion on entertainment. Swearing I understand.

 

[oberth]

No sex is better in my opinion on entertainment. Swearing I understand.

no sex , no cursing is the same side of the medal - a gazillion of jaffas shot to pieces is the other

 

[Tuskin38]

but a gazillion of jaffa shot to pieces

It really depends on the local definition of graphic

If there's no body parts flying off or excessive blood and gore, it isn't considered graphic content in the US and Canada.

So no, SG-1 isn't considered graphic most of the time over here.

 

[oberth]

It really depends on the local definition of graphic

If there's no body parts or blood or gore, it isn't considered graphic content in the US and Canada.

nope - it's the normality of killing sentient people (gore or no gore) that america thinks is okay for kids - while making new people ...

 

[Tuskin38]

nope - it's the normality of killing sentient people (gore or no gore) that america thinks is okay for kids - while making new people ...

SG-1 wasn't a kids show. Most episodes are rated 14+

 

[oberth]

No sex is better in my opinion on entertainment. Swearing I understand.

you don't understand sex?

where do we start? bees?

 

[oberth]

SG-1 wasn't a kids show. Most episodes are rated 14+

you think it's okay for 14+ kids to have people killed all over the place? remember, at 18 you can enlist but not buy a beer your place

 

[Tuskin38]

you think it's okay for 14+ kids to have people killed all over the place? remember, at 18 you can enlist but not buy a beer your place

14 year olds aren't kids, they're teenagers, they're old enough to understand it. Also I'm Canadian, we can drink at 19 (except in three provinces where it's 18).

Kids cartoons don't have guns anymore. Like in the early 90s the Batman animated series had guns (though you never saw anyone die or get injured), but the Justice League spinoff, and related shows in the late 90s/early 2000s, no more guns, only lasers. Which is some how better.

 

[oberth]

and I still haven't seen The Sting all the way through!

you certainly should

14 year olds aren't kids, they're teenagers. Also I'm Canadian, we can drink at 19 (except in three provinces where it's 18).

Kids cartoons don't have guns anymore. Like in the early 90s the Batman animated series had guns (though you never saw anyone die or get shot), but the Justice League spinoff, and related shows in the late 90s/early 2000s, no more guns, only lasers. Which is some how better.

bollocks, when it's about sex america calls 20yo kids - under no circumstances are 14yo grown-ups

... and canada ain't the us

 

[1001001]

you don't understand sex?

where do we start? bees?

There’s no need for that.