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Spoilers VOY: To Lose The Earth by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread

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None of the shows are 'dystopian', especially not Lower Decks, plus Prodigy probably won't be either since it's a kids show..

I consider Picard rather dystopian.

As for other ongoing Trek shows, Discovery is VERY dystopian.


3 more books coming out this fall set in the old continuity that will wrap it up.
I really hope that the main characters aren't killed off in those books.


The books still exist. They're not gone.
Yes! :techman:
I'm very grateful that I have the Voyager books from the first seasons of the show. Great stories with all the original characters.
Happy memories from better times!
I'm actually re-reading "The Murdered Sun" by Christie Golden right now. Excellent book!

There might be a slight change of career for me in the fall which might give me more time for fan fiction writing. I haven't had so much time for that in recent years.
 
Yeah neither of those shows fit the definition.

Dystopian fiction refers specifically to stories about governments and social orders that are oppressive, abusive, or otherwise harmful to those who live in them. I suppose you could say there was a slightly dystopian tinge to Section 31's machinations in DSC season 2 or the Federation's synth ban and abandonment of the Romulans in PIC season 1, but those were compromises and failings within the Federation's usual utopia, rather than a full-on dystopia like the Dominion, the Cardassian Union, the Terran Empire, etc. And in both cases, the heroes ultimately reaffirmed the Federation's core principles and the utopia was restored. Heck, DS9 compromised the Federation's purity just as much as the new shows ever did, and for a longer time.
 
Yeah neither of those shows fit the definition.

I will also refer to Christopher's post that is directly before yours.

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/voy...yer-review-thread.305835/page-8#post-13768452
In that case, what should I call those shows and fiction, if not dystopian? :shrug:

Doom-and-gloom shows and fictionmaybe, a typical disease for almost everything in movies, series and books produced after 2010.

The charactersistics for such shows and fiction are: Dark and gloomy scenery, the future looks bleak, the main characters are depressed because of pervious events and have lost hope, life in general sucks and we have a lot of blood splatter and detailed torture scenes.
 
Things haven't been nearly that bad in the new Trek shows, they might darker than some of the earlier shows, but in the overall bigger picture of TV, they're still pretty light and optimistic. If you want to see real doom and gloom, I suggest you check out shows like The 100 or The Walking Dead series, those shows make Picard look like it's all sunshine and lollypops.
At least the Trek shows have never had one of their heroes commit genocide, sort of.
 
If you want to see real doom and gloom, I suggest you check out shows like The 100 or The Walking Dead series, those shows make Picard look like it's all sunshine and lollypops.

Oh, yeah. I gave up on The 100 pretty early on, once it became clear that it saw the shock value of gratuitous character deaths, torture porn, and the like as a substitute for meaningful storytelling. (Also because of their distressing tendency to kill off their nonwhite regulars with disproportionate frequency.) The Trek shows are nothing like that. They do what any story does -- present the characters with a difficult situation and let them show who they are by how they respond to it. It's that response, not the situation, that determines whether a story is light or dark.
 
Things haven't been nearly that bad in the new Trek shows, they might darker than some of the earlier shows, but in the overall bigger picture of TV, they're still pretty light and optimistic. If you want to see real doom and gloom, I suggest you check out shows like The 100 or The Walking Dead series, those shows make Picard look like it's all sunshine and lollypops.
At least the Trek shows have never had one of their heroes commit genocide, sort of.

I'm doing my best to stay as far away from shows like The 100 and The Walking Dead as possible.

And I must admit that Trek haven't got that far-at least not yet.
But it is the 2020's, the era of doom-and-gloom so you'll never know.
 
If anything I'd say they've pretty consistently been going in the opposite direction. Discovery pretty quickly moved away from the Klingon War after Season 1, and even though they started Season 3
with the Federation broken up, we ended it with Discovery helping to start rebuild it.
And Season 1 of Picard ended with
Picard in a new healthy body, part of a new crew, and with the synth ban lifted.
 
If anything I'd say they've pretty consistently been going in the opposite direction. Discovery pretty quickly moved away from the Klingon War after Season 1, and even though they started Season 3
with the Federation broken up, we ended it with Discovery helping to start rebuild it.
And Season 1 of Picard ended with
Picard in a new healthy body, part of a new crew, and with the synth ban lifted.

When it comes to Picard
What's the point of killing him off and then resurrect him in a new body? I don't understand that. It's only confusing
 
When it comes to Picard
What's the point of killing him off and then resurrect him in a new body? I don't understand that. It's only confusing

My thought was that because in previous canon, it was established that Picard develops Irumodic syndrome thanks to the defect in his parietal lobe. The show went with that, solving the problem of him continuing to live by providing him with a new body. A development, by the way, which is not too dissimilar from giving Spock a new body in Star Trek III.
 
Wow, Lynx. Blast from the past. We argued ... a LOT ... about Full Circle when that came out. If I recall correctly, you said you wouldn't buy any of these books. It's kind of funny to see you complaining that they're over! I'm glad you got at least a little bit of what you were looking for from Beyer's novels.
 
Wow, Lynx. Blast from the past. We argued ... a LOT ... about Full Circle when that came out. If I recall correctly, you said you wouldn't buy any of these books. It's kind of funny to see you complaining that they're over! I'm glad you got at least a little bit of what you were looking for from Beyer's novels.

Yes, I remember our debates about that! :techman:

I admit that I was very annoyed when Janeway was killed off, I didn't like that scenario at all. But since she was brought back, I saw no reason to complain. If something bad is corrected, why argue and complain?

As I wrote in a previous post, I wasn't that happy with the direction of the Voyager books in recent years. But at least it existed a possibility to read about the old favorites and a hope for some things to be corrected and improved in the long run. Now it's all gone and we are stuck with the gloom-and-doom crap the masterminds of the 21th century are pestering us with.

So you're right when you assume that I actually got a little bit of what I was looking for in Beyer's books. They weren't that bad and it was at least something. But what will we have now? :shrug:
 
It actually looks like they are going to go back to giving us series era books for the Berman era shows, so it won't just be the current shows.
 
The Picard book that focused on the Titan wasn't "Doom and Gloom", it wasn't even set during any of the new series, even though it was released under the Picard label. It felt like a typical Trek novel, it even had some of the characters from the lit'verse in it.

But what will we have now?

And as JD said, they're still wirting novels based on the other series. Plus the 3 Coda books coming out this fall.

There's a TOS novel coming out in June, a TNG novel in July and a DS9 novel in December.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Living_Memory
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Shadows_Have_Offended
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Revenant

The TOS Novel is set during the movie era, the TNG and DS9 novels are set during their respective series.

Revenant is actually the first DS9 novel set during the series since 2005.
 
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As I wrote in a previous post, I wasn't that happy with the direction of the Voyager books in recent years. But at least it existed a possibility to read about the old favorites and a hope for some things to be corrected and improved in the long run. Now it's all gone and we are stuck with the gloom-and-doom crap the masterminds of the 21th century are pestering us with.

So you're right when you assume that I actually got a little bit of what I was looking for in Beyer's books. They weren't that bad and it was at least something. But what will we have now? :shrug:
We have The Orville.
 
The Picard book that focused on the Titan wasn't "Doom and Gloom", it wasn't even set during any of the new series, even though it was released under the Picard label. It felt like a typical Trek novel, it even had some of the characters from the lit'verse in it.



And as JD said, they're still wirting novels based on the other series. Plus the 3 Coda books coming out this fall.

There's a TOS novel coming out in June, a TNG novel in July and a DS9 novel in December.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Living_Memory
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Shadows_Have_Offended
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Revenant

The TOS Novel is set during the movie era, the TNG and DS9 novels are set during their respective series.

Revenant is actually the first DS9 novel set during the series since 2005.

When you write that the TOS Novel is from the movie era, I hope that you mean the six original movies, not the current NuTrek movies.

As for the TNG and DS9 novels, at least they seem to continue to be released but not Voyager. :eek:

Anyway, there seem to be some hope for TreklLit after all.


We have The Orville.

I actually like The Orville in a way.

But watching The Orville is like......well, imagine if you are a hockey fan, let's say Chicago Blackhawks (if you don't like that team, replace it with your favorite team and if you don't like hockey, replace hockey with baseball, football, basketball or anything you like).

You have cheered for your team for years, seen almost all homegames live plus the away games on TV and more and less lived for the hockey season.

Then the owners decide to move the team to El Paso and call it "El Paso Chihuahuas"!

Your world is shattered. You can't watch NHL anymore on TV because it's impossible for you to cheer for the former opponents of your team and you HATE the El Paso Chihuahuas with a vengeance. Just the mention of the team makes you wanna throw everything in your apartment out through the window, the only reason for not doing so is that you don't want to kill innocent people on the street below.

Your friends are doing all they can to cheer you up and one day your buddy Chucky comes up with amazing news:

"We do have a team in the town now, it's called Lakeside Gnomes and plays in the Central Hockey League.

"Ah, crap" you think. But you decide to follow your buddy to a game.

However, you discover that there are some differences. Instead of United Center with 22 000 seats, it's now Lakeside Arena with 4000 seats, the jerseys are red all right but not with Chief Blackhawk but an angry gnome. Instead of up to 18 000-22 000 cheering fans, there are now about 500 yelling fans, most of them drunk, instead of Chicago Blackhawks against Boston Bruins with a face-off between Patrick Kane and David Pastrnak, we now have the Lakeside Gnomes against Quahog Brewers and a face-off between Al Bundy and Pete Griffin. :guffaw:

But all of a sudden you realize that you actually enjoy it in a way. It is at least funny and it's a hockey league where you don't have to get El Paso Chihuahuas stuck in your face from time to time.

But it will never be the same as the real things in the good,old days. :(

Not to mention that watching The Orville has hit some obstacles when it comes to my watching of the series.

I've watched seasons 1 and 2, even the re-runs. But all of a sudden, the channel which have aired it no longer have the rights to it. OK, I can stream it for free but only seasons 1 and 2. Season 3 seems to be on some other network and I'm already paying a lot of money for different services, I can't possible pay every streaming service there is. Well, I just hope that The Orville can be available somewhere where I can get it for a decent price.
 
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When you write that the TOS Novel is from the movie era, I hope that you mean the six original movies, not the current NuTrek movies

Yeah, the upcoming original series novel coming out in June by Christopher Bennett is from the original series movie era. It follows from his Ex Machina-The Higher Frontier Continuity which take place between TMP and TWOK.

Excellent reads BTW.
 
When you write that the TOS Novel is from the movie era, I hope that you mean the six original movies, not the current NuTrek movies.
If I was talking about the Kelvin Timeline I would have said the Kelvin Timeline.

I also linked the novel in the post which would have shown what I meant.
 
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