Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

I saw photos of other non-SCatLotTR figures that also had Mr. Hyde parts. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I will assume this is just a bonus to sell more figures and that Hyde/Zabo isn't part of the film.

 

Secret Invasion is already confirmed as a D+ series, so Avengers 5 will be something else.

 

Yes, of course, and obviously the intent was that he was Calvin Zabo/Mr. Hyde. The point is that since they never made it entirely explicit, there's wiggle room for introducing a different Mr. Hyde without breaking continuity.

Kind of like how Arrow established that (Dinah) Laurel Lance's mother was named Dinah, but never established her maiden name, so they were able to introduce an unrelated Dinah Drake years later to become the new Black Canary.

 

Well, yes, that's the point. Since Daisy's father Cal was never explicitly identified as Calvin Zabo/Mr. Hyde, any separate Mr. Hyde that might show up in an MCU movie can be presumed to be a distinct, unrelated character and therefore doesn't have to decanonize AoS.

 

Bruce Campble tweeted out a semi-spoilery page from the Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.

Spoiler: Script page

EDIT: Ooops, I didn't realize it was posted yesterday until I started to read it.

 

I'm not endorsing it. Discussion is not automatically advocacy. And I am exploring a hypothetical scenario, not making an assumption. What I'm saying is, if, hypothetically, the movie portrays Mr. Hyde in a way that contradicts AoS's portrayal of Cal, the ambiguity the show maintained with regard to Cal's name will provide a possible way around that contradiction. It's not about whether I want that to happen or expect it to happen, it's about how we cope with a discontinuity if it happens. It's about whether we can still salvage the idea of AoS as part of the MCU even if it's contradicted.

Again, this is a hypothetical discussion. Nobody is "assuming" a damn thing.

 

Frankly, having a daughter with superpowers has never been a big part of Mr. Hyde story. The only time it's ever come up has been in stories about Daisy. And this would hardly be the biggest departure from the comics. Tony Stark created Ultron? Steve and Bucky were childhood friends? It doesn't matter what the comics did. This is the MCU and its own thing.

 

Exactly. What's at issue is how the MCU relates to itself -- or to its secondary content. Will future MCU productions stay consistent with Agents of SHIELD and the other pre-Disney+ Marvel TV shows, or ignore them and go a contradictory way? Will they bring back the same actors as the same versions of the characters, or will they recast and reimagine them?

 

Oh, OK. That does make it sound he's probably not in the movie then. I guess them putting him in with them could just be another example of them including stuff not in a movie in a movie line.

 

The wave with the Shang Chi figures is only half devoted to the film. The other two releases are from other media. Their is an Iron Man figure, looking comic book based, and a figure from their Contest of Champions video game, I believe. So Hyde being purely a comic release isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. That would leave the wave exactly half film, half comic/game.

 

Just typing "Shang-Chi" would be the same number of keystrokes...

 

Cross-posting something I observed about Falcon and Winter Soldier, Marvel Television, and accuracy to the comics.

Spoiler: Falcon and Winter Soldier and Jessica Jones season 2

In Falcon and Winter Soldier, the scientist who recreated the super soldier serum for the Power Broker is named Dr. Wilfred Nagel. Now, Nagel is a character from the comics who was connected to the original Super serum program, so there is that connection.

However, the far, far more comics accurate character to have used in this situation would have been Dr. Karl Malus. He was the Power Broker's chief scientist in the comics. However, Malus was already used in Jessica Jones season 2.

It's a minor thing, and I might be reading something into this that isn't actually there, but it does seem to be a sign of Marvel Studios respecting what was established by Marvel Television.

 

Maybe, maybe not...

Spoiler: All of the previous spoilers plus Wandavision

On the other hand the Darkhold appears in Wandavision, which seemingly contradicts the history established in Agents of SHIELD. However, that said, it's entirely possible there's a mystical explanation that could be handwaved to reconcile those contradictions.

 

However, on that point...

Spoiler: Building on the above

Matt Shakman said this about the Darkhold...

"Yes, we designed it anew. We didn't look at the other Darkholds that have been designed. It's part of the Marvel Universe though, so I would imagine it's the same book."

https://screenrant.com/wandavision-agents-shield-darkhold-connection-director-response/

 

Spoiler

Given that the cover of the Darkhold in AoS had the stylized word "Darkhold" written on it in English, and given that its interior text appeared in the language of whoever read it, I always took it as given that its cover could transform to suit its readers.

 

I think even in the comics The Darkhold both changed design from artist to artist, and seemingly had multiple copies floating around; all of which are still somehow THE Darkhold. Which is fair enough I suppose. Evil magic book and all. It could be in several places at once and/or change it's appearance. Also, skimming the wiki article it doesn't look like they really bothered keeping a clear chain of ownership as the thing just seems to pop up in a story as and when it's needed.

P.S. You guys know this is meant to be a spoiler thread, right?

 

Yeah, but we started with spoilers from the most recent episode of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and I wanted to give people at least a week on that point. Beyond that, the spoiler code probably wasn't necessary, but the snowball already started rolling...