Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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  1. Grendelsbayne

    Grendelsbayne Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Nah. Avengers 5 will be way bigger than the young characters. There are still tons of holdovers from the older stuff and tons of new characters that won't have anything in common with this super-young set of heroes. These characters are definitely being set up for a Young Avengers project, which is probably not going to be a movie. Some of them will be in Avengers 5, too, when it happens, but they won't be the core of it.
     
  2. Timelord Victorious

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    Natasha Romanov might be unavailable...
    A black widow could be there.
     
  3. Morpheus 02

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    Certainly a white Widow is available
     
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  5. JD

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    Hmmm, I wonder what that would mean for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?
    The rest of those figures seem to be from the movie since those look like the actors' likenesses, so I would assume that means Mr. Hyde is in the movie.
    The only way I could maybe see getting around AoS is that they never called Zabo Mr. Hyde, so they could always create a new character or just call him Mr. Hyde with no other name.
     
  6. Christopher

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    For that matter, they never explicitly called him Zabo. He was just "Cal," implicitly Calvin Johnson (Daisy's father), and he mentioned in one episode that he adopted a more villainous-sounding pseudonym for a while, without ever specifying what it was.
     
  7. Reverend

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    I don't know, I mean if they're going with Secret Invasion then it seems like the obvious way to go is to have all the older, established characters be the ones replaced by Skrulls, leaving it to the younger generation to save the day, no?
    I mean let's be real, it's not like they'll be actual kids or anything since they're already going to be in their mid to late teens when they're introduced over the next few years, and most likely in their early 20's by the time the next Avengers movie happens (or the one after; whenever this goes down.)
     
  8. Alidar Jarok

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    Assuming he's in the movie (which, if he is, is an odd choice), the question is whether it could be consistent. I lean towards recast over reboot when possible unless they can't be reconciled.
     
  9. Turtletrekker

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    As Christopher mentioned, he was never called Calvin Zabo or Mr. Hyde on Agents of SHIELD. The only real thing that connects him to the Mr. Hyde of the comics is his relationship with Quake.
     
  10. Caretaker

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    I saw photos of other non-SCatLotTR figures that also had Mr. Hyde parts. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I will assume this is just a bonus to sell more figures and that Hyde/Zabo isn't part of the film.
     
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  11. Grendelsbayne

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    Secret Invasion is already confirmed as a D+ series, so Avengers 5 will be something else.
     
  12. Alidar Jarok

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    Which is not an insignificant detail. He was Calvin who specifically changed his surname to something "more sinister."
     
  13. Christopher

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    Yes, of course, and obviously the intent was that he was Calvin Zabo/Mr. Hyde. The point is that since they never made it entirely explicit, there's wiggle room for introducing a different Mr. Hyde without breaking continuity.

    Kind of like how Arrow established that (Dinah) Laurel Lance's mother was named Dinah, but never established her maiden name, so they were able to introduce an unrelated Dinah Drake years later to become the new Black Canary.
     
  14. Alidar Jarok

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    The difference is it'll mean that the Calvin Zabo they introduce isn't related to Daisy Johnson.
     
  15. Christopher

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    Well, yes, that's the point. Since Daisy's father Cal was never explicitly identified as Calvin Zabo/Mr. Hyde, any separate Mr. Hyde that might show up in an MCU movie can be presumed to be a distinct, unrelated character and therefore doesn't have to decanonize AoS.
     
  16. JD

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    Bruce Campble tweeted out a semi-spoilery page from the Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.
    [​IMG]
    EDIT: Ooops, I didn't realize it was posted yesterday until I started to read it.
    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Alidar Jarok

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    It would depart unnecessarily from the source material, though, for Agents of SHIELD. And it's all assuming that changes can't be justified by just saying the character was re-cast.

    Assuming that he's appearing in the movie, which I think is unlikely.
     
  18. Christopher

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    I'm not endorsing it. Discussion is not automatically advocacy. And I am exploring a hypothetical scenario, not making an assumption. What I'm saying is, if, hypothetically, the movie portrays Mr. Hyde in a way that contradicts AoS's portrayal of Cal, the ambiguity the show maintained with regard to Cal's name will provide a possible way around that contradiction. It's not about whether I want that to happen or expect it to happen, it's about how we cope with a discontinuity if it happens. It's about whether we can still salvage the idea of AoS as part of the MCU even if it's contradicted.


    Again, this is a hypothetical discussion. Nobody is "assuming" a damn thing.
     
  19. Turtletrekker

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    Frankly, having a daughter with superpowers has never been a big part of Mr. Hyde story. The only time it's ever come up has been in stories about Daisy. And this would hardly be the biggest departure from the comics. Tony Stark created Ultron? Steve and Bucky were childhood friends? It doesn't matter what the comics did. This is the MCU and its own thing.
     
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  20. Christopher

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    Exactly. What's at issue is how the MCU relates to itself -- or to its secondary content. Will future MCU productions stay consistent with Agents of SHIELD and the other pre-Disney+ Marvel TV shows, or ignore them and go a contradictory way? Will they bring back the same actors as the same versions of the characters, or will they recast and reimagine them?