Why the hate for Disco?

[eschaton]

With much respect, I think we should have a really hard look at some of the victim mentality that seems to be going around. Fans of the show get mercilessly hammered too. So, maybe we can be more productive about it other than just looking at it myopically from the side of hurt feelings and our own personal experiences?

TBH, I just don't get the whole "tribal" mentality when it comes to fandom in general.

Hell, I don't even get it in politics. I have very strongly held, pretty out there (for the U.S.) political beliefs. But I am relentlessly critical of politicians and people in the "movement" who I see as doing things which are stupid on tactics, messaging, etc. I just don't get the idea that we should "close ranks" around people who support the same things we do.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

With much respect, I think we should have a really hard look at some of the victim mentality that seems to be going around. Fans of the show get mercilessly hammered too. So, maybe we can be more productive about it other than just looking at it myopically from the side of hurt feelings and our own personal experiences?

I have never gone after fans of the show, we all like what we like and no two people will ever be the same, so I'm never going to judge or insult someone because of that. But I have been called a "toxic fan" because I don't like the writing and the overall feel of the show just doesn't do it for me.

There are aspects of it I appreciate, such as finally having LGBT+ representation and the serialised nature of the show (DS9 and ENT showed how well this worked, and it was something sorely lacking from VOY), but it's just not a show I can see myself getting much enjoyment from (just like Breaking Bad).

 

[Australis]

Referring to it as 'STD' is pretty juvenile. Unless the other shows now go by STTOS, STTNG, STDS9 etc.and I missed the memo

You missed the memo.

The more common ones are TOS, TNG, DSN, VOY, ENT, and DSC

 

[Coops]

You missed the memo.

The more common ones are TOS, TNG, DSN, VOY, ENT, and DSC

Exactly, I was referring to the earlier poster calling it STD because, I guess, the abbreviation is funny to some people.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

You missed the memo.

The more common ones are TOS, TNG, DSN, VOY, ENT, and DSC

Plus TAS.

I'm new to the 'new' terms, so I'm really asking... do we also type LDK and PCD or something?

I guess SNW and S31(eventually) will be easy enough. How about Prodigy? PDG?

 

[fireproof78]

Honestly, I don't care if people like or hate the show or everything in between. But, if critical can we at least hear the good too?

 

[Australis]

Plus TAS.

I'm new to the 'new' terms, so I'm really asking... do we also type LDK and PCD or something?

I guess SNW and S31(eventually) will be easy enough. How about Prodigy? PDG?

Ah yes, for TAS (knew I was missing one).

SNW, sure. The other s will pan out one way or another.

 

[Australis]

Exactly, I was referring to the earlier poster calling it STD because, I guess, the abbreviation is funny to some people.

I've seen both.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Plus TAS.

I'm new to the 'new' terms, so I'm really asking... do we also type LDK and PCD or something?

I guess SNW and S31(eventually) will be easy enough. How about Prodigy? PDG?

LD and PIC, SNW and S31 are things already but ya Prodigy is still open to suggestions

 

[Vger23]

For me, "PRO" is the easiest abbreviation for Prodigy.

That's what I'll be going with.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Honestly, I don't care if people like or hate the show or everything in between. But, if critical can we at least hear the good too?

There's more good than bad for me. Since the start I loved the Discovery and the super cool way the spore drive works. Black alert is cool. Michael is great, same for Saru, Stamets, Tilly, Lorca, Culber, Georgiou (?) and anyone else I've missed. There are no characters I don't like in this show.

I love the general aesthetic. I love how dynamic the series has always been. I do like the storytelling. The title theme is excellent both in terms of audio and visual. Detached nacelles are awesome... I like that it's been on a kind of trajectory and not only remodelled itself but also improved every season.

There are things I dislike. But I have a feeling that over time it will become like the Enterprise being built on the ground in Star Trek 2009. Little niggles that in time just disappear. I say as a Star Trek fan since the mid-eighties that I think it's as much a Trek as any of the others.

Regardless, there's a lot to love in 'DSC'.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

For me, "PRO" is the easiest abbreviation for Prodigy.

That's what I'll be going with.

Sounds good

 

[eschaton]

I really hate that CBS has chosen DSC as the official abbreviation for Discovery. I use DIS instead.

I mean, there are basically two naming conventions. Series with multi-word names after Star Trek: have the first letter of each of the words after Star Trek (TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9). Series with single word names have the first three letters of the first word following Star Trek (VOY, ENT).

Picard does it right, with PIC. Lower Decks kinda messes up the system with a two-word name. Arguably it should just be LD, but LDS at least has a funny in-joke in it, so it's admissable.

Discovery should absolutely be DIS though, not DSC.

 

[Jadeb]

Controversial hot take: Insisting on a three-letter abbreviation is silly when the show title is easily distinguished with one or two words.

 

[fireproof78]

Controversial hot take: Insisting on a three-letter abbreviation is silly when the show title is easily distinguished with one or two words.

Most abbreviations are. I think they started with the Star Trek Encyclopedia with the shorthand for reference points. But, yeah, it's largely unnecessary.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

It didn't help matters (for the people who like DSC) that, on social media (as opposed to places like here, where the bar is usually a bit higher), MANY people who were complaining the loudest about DSC's "bad writing," would, when pressed, default to "well, it's all SJW stuff!" which conditioned DSC fans to see accusations of "bad writing" as code for "I am extremely butthurt that nonwhite noncishet people EXIST."

Here, where most people can actually back up their issues with DSC with legitimate examples (and can accept it when people point out similar flaws in the other shows), there's much less of that,* but I suspect that the carryover from Facebook and such makes people more defensive than they might otherwise be.

*And there've been some embarrassments on the pro-DSC side, too. You know what I mean.

 

[SITZKRIEG!]

For me, "PRO" is the easiest abbreviation for Prodigy.

That's what I'll be going with.

That one in general makes me laugh (not for Star Trek specifically but in general). I remember when I first heard that the PS4 was getting a Pro version and the first thing I thought was "So does that make the base model the N00b variant in gamer parlance? Or the PS4 Amateur?".

 

[SITZKRIEG!]

Discovery should absolutely be DIS though, not DSC.

While I personally prefer STD for the humor aspect similar to when companies market a product in another region and don't bother checking to see if the product name means or sounds like something in the local language or slang, I tend to use DISCO here so as not to ruffle feathers. I mean... it is on the shirts they wear after all. Yeah, it breaks with the three letter tradition but breaking with the past sort of is a key part of the DISCO schtick after all.

 

[Mudd]

Plus TAS.

I'm new to the 'new' terms, so I'm really asking... do we also type LDK and PCD or something?

I guess SNW and S31(eventually) will be easy enough. How about Prodigy? PDG?

However you like, really. Most Trek abbreviations are acronyms - TNG, TOS, TWOK. TMP, DS9. A couple are shortened words -VOY, ENT. Those never feel right to me for some reason and I tend to type out Voyager and Enterprise. If I didn't abbreviate it STD I'd probably call it Discovery.

 

[Bad Robot]

STD is a high quality production - although I think a lot of the early design stuff was awful looking, but that's just preference. They spend a lot of money on these, and it shows. The writing is too often gibberish and trash. It is not designed to appeal primarily to people on any basis of intelligence, any more than most CBS fare. And, being CBS, it's politically neutral or right-leaning in terms of content. The only thing really progressive about it is diverse casting, which catches the Franchise up with other television, finally, and was long overdue rather than being some bold statement by the producers.

I don't watch enough CBS to know, but all of that has generally been my experience. I actually really liked the first 11 episodes, which I assume still had enough Fuller in them to at least offer a taste of What Should Have Been. But since the last third of STD-1 the show just hasn't stopped imploding. STD-2 was a whole gaslighting exercise in pretending to have told some kind of story. STP was in my mind Kurtzman Trek's last chance to work the bugs out of their storytelling... they still couldn't do it. Which made STD-3 already a "sucker run" for me. The physical aggravation of watching some of this stuff is just knee-slapping.

Referring to it as 'STD' is pretty juvenile. Unless the other shows now go by STTOS, STTNG, STDS9 etc.and I missed the memo

I'm sticking with STD, sorry. Even when I defended the show I was calling it that. Besides I can't bring myself to use PIC instead of STP. And LDS has caught on so why not. It's whatever three characters are easiest to use that everyone will still recognize what you're referring to.