Hey, I never noticed that before....

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  1. Discofan

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    Btw, "under God" is a late addition, it wasn't in the original text.
     
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    Not at the beginning.
    CLOUD: I am Cloud William, chief. Also son of chief. Guardian of the holies, speaker of the holy words, leader of warriors. Many have died, but this is the last of the Kohm places. What is ours is ours again.
    (He goes over to the flag and puts his left hand over his heart.)
    CLOUD: Aypledgli ianectu flaggen tupep kile for stahn
    KIRK: And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. *​
    Later:
    CLOUD: Greatest of holies. Chiefs and sons of chiefs may speak the words, but the Evil One's tongue would surely turn to fire. I will begin. You shall finish. Ee'dplebnista norkohn forkohn perfectunun.
    KIRK: Those words are familiar. Wait a moment.
    I know. But obviously, it was there in the late 1960s.

    *(And to quote Jennifer Lopez, “Una nación, bajo Dios, indivisible, con libertad y justicia para todos!” :D )
     
  3. Discofan

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    Yeah, 1954!!!

    Evidently, these quirky aliens were privy to the vagaries of modern political expediency...
     
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    It was put in to counter the Godless Kohms, er, Commies.
     
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    :guffaw:
     
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    We all know the story of Robert Walker, Jr. ("Charlie X") purposely not being social with the regulars, keeping himself isolated to better create the emotional state of a young outcast. But I just now read a 2011 interview with Sissy Spacek in Fangoria #306, and she reports doing exactly the same thing while filming Carrie. She doesn't mention Star Trek, of course, but she put herself through the same uncomfortable method.

    And when you think about it, Carrie White has a few things in common with Charlie Evans, beyond just having no friends. So... I just noticed that. :bolian:
     
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    I think, what I've read, this was not uncommon for "method" acting.

    Pretty smart, for those two things named.

    It reminds me how it always bugs me when I see a baseball player get to first and start chatting away with the opposing first baseman.
     
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    Yes! They should play the part, not just the game. Same with newscasters: they have to "act" the sad news whether it saddens them or not. As Judy Greer once said on The Big Bang Theory, "It's so much better when everyone commits."
     
  10. Discofan

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    Yeah, I hear Morgan Woodward almost drove himself insane, playing a crazy man.
     
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    I did theater for a number of years and while I was never a strict method actor, I did adhere to the Meisner system. I was the lead in a production of The Pillowman and in order to get myself into an honest place dealing with true evil and ugliness, I had to embrace a very dark side. My wife still talks about about that three month timespan when I was a miserable shite and the two weeks of depression which followed the closing of the show because I couldn’t shake the character. It was crazy, but the best performance I ever gave.
     
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    "Whenever Poochie's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, 'Where's Poochie?'"
    I did a production of The Pillowman back in 2014. I was Tupolski. Tough show to do!
     
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    I feel ya, brother. I was Katurian. Tuploski almost broke my arm. And that wasn't even the hardest part of that show!
     
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    Tupolski tells that joke/story that was something like two or three pages. REALLY tough to learn.
     
  16. Discofan

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    Gruesome...
     
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    I had a somewhat similar experience when doing training for counseling. I had done drama 4 years of high school and amateur productions in college so I really invested in supporting my fellow trainees. We did what are called "trigger clients" which are clients with presenting problems that will trigger a deep emotional reaction in a counseling trainee. So, we were given roles for common triggers and I really took it on for that week. And it took a bit to shake that off.
     
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    I think you mean "roles".

    Although you shouldn't play on an empty stomach.:lol:
     
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    The salute was invented in 1892, more than two decades before any European fascists used anything similar. Just another thing they co-oped and tainted.
     
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    Its just a game. Its not life and death.
    I like sportsmanship. They should be setting good examples to the fans.

    Maybe it doesn't happen in America but here in Australia I've seen parents abuse 16 year old umpires in kids games. I've stopped my younger children attending my 14 year olds football game because of the foul language parents yell out towards the umpires and other team members. So I'm happy when the players don't act all crazy to win at all costs.
    All though I do like my actors doing their best if it doesn't become abusive.
     
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