Hey, I never noticed that before....

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Warped9, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. JonnyQuest037

    JonnyQuest037 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2005
    Location:
    Parsippany, New Jersey, USA
    Tupolski tells that joke/story that was something like two or three pages. REALLY tough to learn.
     
  2. Discofan

    Discofan Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2018
    Location:
    Discofan
    Gruesome...
     
  3. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Annoyed by inappropriate use of the word "Need"
    I had a somewhat similar experience when doing training for counseling. I had done drama 4 years of high school and amateur productions in college so I really invested in supporting my fellow trainees. We did what are called "trigger clients" which are clients with presenting problems that will trigger a deep emotional reaction in a counseling trainee. So, we were given roles for common triggers and I really took it on for that week. And it took a bit to shake that off.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2021
  4. Discofan

    Discofan Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2018
    Location:
    Discofan
    I think you mean "roles".

    Although you shouldn't play on an empty stomach.:lol:
     
    JonnyQuest037 likes this.
  5. BK613

    BK613 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2008
    Location:
    West of the Moon, East of the Sun
    The salute was invented in 1892, more than two decades before any European fascists used anything similar. Just another thing they co-oped and tainted.
     
  6. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Location:
    Backwaters of Australia
    Its just a game. Its not life and death.
    I like sportsmanship. They should be setting good examples to the fans.

    Maybe it doesn't happen in America but here in Australia I've seen parents abuse 16 year old umpires in kids games. I've stopped my younger children attending my 14 year olds football game because of the foul language parents yell out towards the umpires and other team members. So I'm happy when the players don't act all crazy to win at all costs.
    All though I do like my actors doing their best if it doesn't become abusive.
     
    JonnyQuest037 likes this.
  7. plynch

    plynch Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2007
    Location:
    Outer Graceland
    Right, I clearly implied it was life and death and major leaguers should treat each other poorly. Huh?

    The idea is if you're competing, you compete all out, while still being sporting. Frankly, I wish major league teams would shake hands. After the game though.

    But to chat and be buddies during a game very likely undermines competitiveness.

    Plenty of examples of people who are fierce competitors on the field, yet very decent and good people. The two need not be mutually exclusive, nor do they have any connection to poor parenting.

    Baseball used to be much less chatty and collegial between teams, AND parents then were much less crazy about kid sports.

    I'm not implying anything causative. Just saying fierce competition on the field need not undermine a sporting attitude, nor lead to weird parenting.
     
  8. BK613

    BK613 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2008
    Location:
    West of the Moon, East of the Sun
    MLB plays 162 games a season; I am not surprised that the routine brings in a fair amount of civility. Kind of glad, actually, because too much competitive attitude can be toxic.
     
    trekshark, Search4 and StarCruiser like this.
  9. Noname Given

    Noname Given Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 22, 2001
    Location:
    Noname Given
    Exactly the whole premise of their long life was the fact that after the war; as Captain Tracy had said, no one on the planet has ever contracted any type of disease.

    So the implication was that their lives were so long because there was no disease organisms whatsoever harming their organs at any time in their lives.

    As for the "which planet had the United States first"; It was obviously their planet that was first; and Earth was an example of parallel planetary development which was one theme often used in the original Star Trek. Their version of the US existed many many thousands of years before hours; because again it was stated it took generations before all disease was eradicated on their planet;; and afterwards as we saw lifespans of a thousand years or more were not uncommon.
     
  10. Discofan

    Discofan Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2018
    Location:
    Discofan
    You know. It's star trek so you can always come up with about a hundred of these theories and if you ask the writers about it, assuming they even remember having written this episode, they'll come up with one that will make the most foolish unlikely of your theories sound like hard science.
     
    ZapBrannigan likes this.
  11. MAGolding

    MAGolding Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2015
    I wonder how long a year of planet Omega IV lasts.

    Just recently I answered a question about the possible limits to the year lengths of habitable planets orbiting different stars.

    https://worldbuilding.stackexchange...ar-length-for-habitable-planets/194711#194711

    If you read it you will notice that the length of the shortest possible year of a human habitable planet is highly uncertain. But if some scientific theories are correct, a human habitable planet could possibly have a year only a few Earth days long. which would make a thousand years of such a planet equal just part of a normal human lifetime.

    But probably Starfeet veterans like Kirk, Tracy, and McCoy wouldn't make the mistake of failing to account for the year length of Omega IV. They wouldn't think that a lifetime of of a thousnd Omega IV years was very impressive unless they knew that the Omega IV years were failrly close to Earth years in length.
     
    Phaser Two, Warped9 and publiusr like this.
  12. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Location:
    Backwaters of Australia
    GR wrote this episode as an alternate pilot didn't he so it should have been a masterwork.
    Its considered to be one of TOS worst episodes but if you can look past the ridiculous unexplained Earth parallels, the amazing coincidences (ad writing) its got a lot of action, got freaking 'Captain Tracey'. Bottom 20 episode for me but only just.

    Was watching 'The Enterprise Incident' the other day and noticed when they captured Spock sending messages to Kirk the Romulans mucked around for 15 minutes before firing on the Enterprise. I know they were looking for Kirk/intruder but if he were on the Enterprise then they needed to destroy it and if he wasn't on the Enterprise then they needed to destroy it...???
     
  13. MAGolding

    MAGolding Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2015
    The Romulan commander wanted to bring in an intact starship to study for its technological secrets. Destroying it without any need would cost her a chance for a big promotion.

    Decades ago the US government offered a reward of $ 100,000.00, back when that was enough to live in luxeuy for a lifetime, to defecting Soviet pilots who landed their MIGs safely in a US base.
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2021
  14. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2003
    Xactly. The Commander was in a jam: she couldn't dare appear weak, but OTOH she couldn't possibly destroy her prize. Her absolute best bet was to seduce Spock, but even there she had to take risks, both with the seduction failing, and with her crew finding fault in the procedure.

    We can come up with a dozen alternate ways of taking over the starship, but all the M:I style coincidences in the adventure suggest that this was a preplanned operation where the presence of Spock was known in advance and was a key element in the capture plan. And, in the best agent adventure tradition, this was all part of the bait carefully prepared by Starfleet. Ah, the joys of rationalizing in a genre that comes pre-rationalized, for the James Bond value of rationality...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  15. plynch

    plynch Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2007
    Location:
    Outer Graceland
    I think people who dismiss Omega are missing the point of Star Trek '66: thoughtful fun. It's got a what-if at the core (several) . . . and it's "the one witn the flag"!

    I liked Trek as a nerd kid, because it was smart heroes going about doing good in thoughtful stories. (As opposed to, say Superfriends.) But it's not Playhouse 90, if I may mix my eras.

    It's one big set up to have the flag appear and James T recite the Preamble!

    Great, cheesy fun. Ok, I like it and can justify it. That's what's really going on here :) .
     
    BK613 likes this.
  16. BK613

    BK613 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2008
    Location:
    West of the Moon, East of the Sun
    So, was the M. Night Shyamalan ending with flag always there in the story?
     
  17. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2001
    Location:
    Vasquez Rocks, Bajor
    But I think it wanted to be Playhouse 90.
     
  18. plynch

    plynch Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2007
    Location:
    Outer Graceland
    Yeah, I love its higher aspirations too. The early eps especially have a play-like quality to the dialogue that was lost. Even Kirk going off on US principles near the end of Omega is in that ballpark.

    But to get down on a Trek ep for basically being a premise to have a crazy Captain and then . . . the flag! with Sir Wm Shatner going off on it -- that's pretty star trekky stuff to get down on. Ok, made my point, moving on, be well . . .
     
    Phaser Two, BK613 and Nerys Myk like this.
  19. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Annoyed by inappropriate use of the word "Need"
    Oh, it happens in the United States a whole lot.

    That's why I prefer tennis. Still a sport where competitors are generally looked to shake hands after the match.
     
  20. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2001
    Location:
    Vasquez Rocks, Bajor
    Except McEnroe