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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

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Gene needs to get his bucket and shovel ready. He's got some cleanup to do.
When he's done there we got a clean up on aisle 10
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Watched it. It's garbage. While watching the wife could tell I disliked it just be body movements. Discovery just isn't for me. I don't like any of the crew, except for maybe Saru, and I dislike Micheal the most.
 
Watched it. It's garbage. While watching the wife could tell I disliked it just be body movements. Discovery just isn't for me. I don't like any of the crew, except for maybe Saru, and I dislike Micheal the most.
That seems to be the general consensus outside of TrekBBS and a few other places.

The writing on this show borders on 'So bad it's good' territory. It's Star Trek: The Room. It's good for some unintentional laughs.
 
I don't know. I got a kick out of the turbolift fight scene. But I wasn't taking it seriously. I took at as what it was. Right before Book said "She's a Queen!", I wanted him to say "I! Have! Had! Enough! Of! You!"

So I can't get mock-outraged about it.
 
Even then, there’s a lot of debate about exactly how stupid it is, whether it totally break the show or is merely a bit silly.
Yeah, it was just silly to me. Did i find it odd? Yup. Did it ruin the show for me? Nope.

I genuinely feel like people don't know how to have fun with Star Trek any more. Or that they don't want to. That it is to be treated with the seriousness of a monastery.
 
It was a wall of programmable matter and Osyraa pushed Burnham into it either to suffocate her or because programmable matter will possibly absorb any form of matter and recycle it to make more programmable matter.
Since Zora is in the computer, she probably saved Burnham right there. Maybe they kissed XD

I think the explanation is supposed to be that, In the same way that The Burn traveled through subspace; the song, which was the lullaby sung by his mother to him when she was alive; was somehow being propagated through subspace subconsciously and telepathically by Su' Kal his entire life.

That was why everyone in the Galaxy knew it.
IIRC, the melody had the distress call hidden in it, and it only became a melody because a star modulated it... but their analysis could've been wrong, of course XD
 
Did they actually say she was killed? Or did Michael just stun her and is she rotting in a Federation prison?
that could be a way to bring her back, Michael’s words notwithstanding.
As to why one would bring her back...?

No, I assume Osyraa does know how her centuries technologies work. The suppositions were my own. Considering Burnham was coughing up programmable matter, I'm going to assume it was Osyraa's intent to suffocate her, but the programmable matter could have also been trying to eat Burnham.
that was my impression as well, hence my remark that she must know very little of human physiology: a few seconds underwater won’t kill you (but maybe it will kill an Orion)!

That’s the fan consensus on whatever the currently airing series happens to be since time immemorial.
in Star Trek case, yes, since the early 00s or so. Other series seems to do well.
 
Since Zora is in the computer, she probably saved Burnham right there.

Well, something seemed to negate the firepower of the carbines, so that instead of point-blank kill shots, all Osyraa achieved was some weird whitish crackling of the air. But the same happened to Burnham's shots, until it no longer did.

Her final three shots burned their way through the programmable matter. Would stun do that? Possibly - we have seen stun physically knock the victim across the room in, say, "Samaritan Snare". But Burnham is the show's designated homicidal maniac, and might have grown disillusioned with the power of stun during the early moments of the boss fight.

IIRC, the melody had the distress call hidden in it, and it only became a melody because a star modulated it... but their analysis could've been wrong, of course XD

Well, there was a signal of unknown sort, distorted by the nebula: everybody could hear it was music at first, some filtering revealed it was the oddly pan-galactic lullaby, and Saru was the one who suggested a way of eliminating the nebula effect. But when the effect was eliminated, the music went away, too... Leaving just the Federation distress call, which then required further processing to yield the actual looped message.

Seems there was no "hiding" as such: it's just that the nebula was simultaneously emitting two things, the PSI-cries of Su'kal (which manifested as the music), and the distress call of his mother.

Why this would happen was unclear. The distress call was looping, but Su'kal had stopped screaming a century ago. Possibly the distress beacon was malfunctioning and adding the lullaby somehow, and the nebula or the dilithium planet then magnified the effect so that it gave everybody in the Milky Way an Ohrwurm.

But it's equally possible and probably more satisfactory (even if "weird, scientifically speaking") that the lullaby had been burned into the structure of the nebula or the planet by Su'kal's scream and thus was part of the effect that distorted the distress signal. Saru's filtering then would remove the music - and even without it, nobody would actually be hearing the music unless pointing their sensors at the nebula, but the "damage" had already been done with the original PSI-scream and the melody had been burned into everybody' minds during the Burn already. (Not in young Gray's, but he'd hear the melody from somebody else, like would most folks.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
The intent certainly seemed to be that Osyraa was dead. I suppose you could say she was just stunned and bring her back in Season Four but it would beg the question why would you want to?

She's hardly Khan Noonien Singh is she lets face it? She's your standard, forgettable villain. Just get another one.
 
It was a wall of programmable matter and Osyraa pushed Burnham into it either to suffocate her or because programmable matter will possibly absorb any form of matter and recycle it to make more programmable matter. Osyraa thinking Burnham was done for is a classic action movie villain trope which fits considering both 'There is a tide' and 'That hope is you, part 2' were chock full of action movie homages.
Really hope now that Burnham is captain she puts a guardrail around the wall that eats people
 
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