Discovery is losing me in Season 3, anyone else?

[Ridcully]

Well still a fan...but they might want to step it up next season.....be less woke and all of that...we get it...don't force it so hard....
I liked the harsh first season and the second more back to the normal path....but this season has been all over...get the story back in focus....

 

[Jax]

be less woke and all of that...we get it...don't force it so hard....

Star Trek fan wants show to be less Star Trek.

 

[Ridcully]

No.....make it part of the story...show...no need to treat us like bloody idiots.....a few of us have been around the block....no need to talk down to your viewers....
They are as subtle and all that, as a photontorpedo hitting a Borg cube!

 

[F. King Daniel]

No.....make it part of the story...show...no need to treat us like bloody idiots.....a few of us have been around the block....no need to talk down to your viewers....
They are as subtle and all that, as a photontorpedo hitting a Borg cube!

Yeah but TOS was like, "Here's a black woman, an Asian guy, even a commie and they're all equals to the white americans on this spaceship."

It seems quaint now but back then it was the same as Disco.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Me with DS9 until "Blood Oath". Me with VGR until Seven of Nine surprised me with her great performances. Me with ENT for most of its lacklustre Season Two.

Discovery is at a disadvantage in that sense by having shorter seasons and a story arc. It's so much easier to forget a bad episode of other Treks and just move on like it never happened

 

[Ridcully]

Yeah but TOS was like, "Here's a black woman, an Asian guy, even a commie and they're all equals to the white americans on this spaceship."

It seems quaint now but back then it was the same as Disco.

Yeah...but the difference was...they where just there as....people...huge difference!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yeah...but the difference was...they where just there as....people...huge difference!

Were they? Look at the episode where Space Lincoln visits and he points out Uhura is "a charming negress", or Captain Christopher saying "a woman?" and Kirk replying, "a crewman." How's that different from Paul saying he's gay, or Adira saying they prefer not to be "her"?

 

[Ridcully]

Never mind....

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah but TOS was like, "Here's a black woman, an Asian guy, even a commie and they're all equals to the white americans on this spaceship."

It seems quaint now but back then it was the same as Disco.

Yup, exactly so. TOS seems simple right now but it definitely was a huge step at that point. And TOS was never subtle about things either.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

Well still a fan...but they might want to step it up next season.....be less woke and all of that...we get it...don't force it so hard....
I liked the harsh first season and the second more back to the normal path....but this season has been all over...get the story back in focus....

No.....make it part of the story...show...no need to treat us like bloody idiots.....a few of us have been around the block....no need to talk down to your viewers....

What's... with... all... the... full... stops...?

Is... it... really... necessary...?

 

[Lord Garth]

It's just the experimental phase of Discovery is over.

Seems that way. It looks like they've settled into what they want the series to be for the rest of its run. This is something I predicted over a year ago.

It's just higher-budget Berman Trek now.

I'd say it's half-and-half. I say this as someone who re-watched TNG in its entirety last year and binge-watched how Roddenberry Trek slowly morphed into Berman Trek, and watched how everything I didn't like about it slowly crept up bit-by-bit. As a whole, I'd take third season DSC over seventh season TNG any day.

 

[ananta]

What's... with... all... the... full... stops...?

Is... it... really... necessary...?

Nerd rage Shatner-style

 

[Angry Fanboy]

Nerd rage Shatner-style

Hahahaha!

There's... somethingonthewing... some... THING!

 

[Starship]

I´m out.
The adult crying Kelpian "baby", around 100 years old, beeing the responsible for the burn, was to much for a bad plot, making it even worst!
The scale of those stupid elevators and its´"corridors", JJ style, was bad! What´s de size of Discovery? Is it like a Death Star?
The kelpian lived around 100 years in a fully damaged ship, eating what? Wind? Dilithium? He was "dilithium adapted", and could be removed without any colateral effects from the planet?
How Gray become a "physical" lifeform again? Holodecks now can read your mind and bring what´s there to physical? If so, even a much damaged holodeck? It´s completelly non-sense!
All the power of Osyraa`s ship and Discovery escaped? Federation ships were turtles?
The Discovery´s nacele was broken and not broken minutes after?
Super-Burnham all around, even with a damaged leg? oh, C´mon!!!
The horrible ships, the ridiculous point of failure of Federation dome...
Burnham made a call to mommy and she puts a Nivar fleet to help ? It wasn´t ridiculous enough her mother previouslly being a Qowat Milat coming from nowhere?
Zora was in the hds (or something like that) of Discovery computer and was downloaded to four droids, and just one left in the end. Where in the hell all of Zora´s knowledge could be saved in the ridicouslly previsible anount of free space on the hds (or something like that) of the droids?
The Admiral said something like "Burnham is right even when she is wrong. She do wrong things but all ends right". So, now she is a magician too, and is always right no matter what she does?
Where is Waldo (Nilsson) in the critical moments? In the badroom?
And so on...

So many flaws and bad plots all around...

I´m out next season.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Discovery is at a disadvantage in that sense by having shorter seasons and a story arc. It's so much easier to forget a bad episode of other Treks and just move on like it never happened

Luckily I am loving every week of DSC. And, at last, the rest of the world get to enjoy the ride just a few hours behind the US. (For Australia, TNG and DS9 came to rental VHS first, two episodes per month, and a 12-month "video holdback" for commercial TV. Only the first half of TNG Season One were shown in prime time, then the show sank into late-night screening, where, unfortunately for us, it began winning its time slot, becoming a drawcard for advertisers. VGR and ENT were sell-thru video - ENT only Season One! - and then late-night TV screenings. We were always at least a year behind unless one's US penpals sent off-air tapes.)

Yup, exactly so. TOS seems simple right now but it definitely was a huge step at that point. And TOS was never subtle about things either.

As subtle as a Cheronite.


Bele and Lokai by Ian McLean, on Flickr

 

[Nerys Myk]

How Gray become a physical lifeform again? Holodecks now can read your mind and bring what´s there to physical? If so, even a much damaged holodeck? It´s completelly non-sense!

He was a hologram. He had no physical body, just like the Doctor and all those characters seen in TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Photons and force fields. It was even a plot point in the story twice!

The adult crying Kelpian "baby", around 100 years old, beeing the responsible for the burn, was to much for a bad plot, making it even worst!

Bad? Not seeing it. Mutated lifeform sends a shockwave through subspace at the same vibrational frequency as dilithium is about as Star Treky as you can get.

The kelpian lived around 100 years in a fully damaged ship, eating what?

There's this thing called replicators that can make food. Saru and Su K'al even eat some food in a bonding moment. It was a plot point in the episode.

Burnham made a call to mommy and she puts a Nivar fleet to help ? It wasn´t ridiculous enough her mother previouslly being a Qowat Milat coming from nowhere?

Not seeing the issue. She needs help and calls a person who can help. Some one with connection to a fleet of ships.
Her mother only joined the Qowat Milat after arriving in the 32nd Century. There is no "previously".
It's really no different a plot point than Spock's father being the Vulcan Ambassador, Riker's dad being the Starfleet consultant the D needs to pick up or one out every five women we meet being one of Kirk's exes.

I´m out next season.

See you soon.

 

[Jax]

Never mind....

Wish you would.

 

[Iconian]

The kelpian lived around 100 years in a fully damaged ship, eating what? Wind? Dilithium? He was "dilithium adapted", and could be removed without any colateral effects from the planet?

Apples?

 

[Starship]

He was a hologram. He had no physical body, just like the Doctor and all those characters seen in TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Photons and force fields. It was even a plot point in the story twice!

Maybe, "physical body" was a wrong choice of words from my side.
But the point is: the holodeck in the future can read minds?! How the hell the holodeck found information about Grey?!

Bad? Not seeing it. Mutated lifeform sends a shockwave through subspace at the same vibrational frequency as dilithium is about as Star Treky as you can get.

Wel, don´t works for me. And later he was rescued and nothing wrong ocurred to his mutated organism?

There's this thing called replicators that can make food. Saru and Su K'al even eat some food in a bonding moment. It was a plot point in the episode.

Replicators are well known in Trek history. But they can make food eternally? For more than 100 years and even in a highlly damaged starship?

Not seeing the issue. She needs help and calls a person who can help. Some one with connection to a fleet of ships.
Her mother only joined the Qowat Milat after arriving in the 32nd Century. There is no "previously".
It's really no different a plot point than Spock's father being the Vulcan Ambassador, Riker's dad being the Starfleet consultant the D needs to pick up or one out every five women we meet being one of Kirk's exes.

Previouslly = other episode in this season.
And how her mom came from nowhere (from the past), knows nothing about the current social and political situation, and becomes so much influent in Nivar? Is she so "super" like Burhham that even vulcans and romulans take their hats off cause her? Oh c´mon!!
Spock´s father and Riker´s dad didn´t come from the past or from the future and do not arrived in "parachutes" in other time. It´s a to much different situation.

And don´t forgot all the other flaws pointed.

See you soon.

Maybe for Picard and Pike shows.
Not for Discovery

 

[Starship]

Apples?

Holodeck apples? Dilithium apples maybe?