Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

[saladdays]

So, I thought it was pretty much a paint by numbers story. In the prediction thread, my predictions were all right on. The Burn was caused by some technobabble (alright biobabble) and once removed, the Kelpian child was revealed to be innocent and unable to do it again. Also, predicted that Osyra would be killed an the Federation would join with them given her absence. And, finally, that Discovery would be the ship to distribute dilithium to the Federation Fragments (FFs).

But any reason for the burn or another large scale event of that kind would have rely on babble of some sort, right?

Here's why it didn't grab me. Retaking the ship just took way too long. That type of story should be started and finished within a single episode (which has already been done multiple times in Trek history). This was derivative and drawn out.

I get your point, but wouldn't retaking the ship in one episode, which you say has already been done multiple times, made it more of a "paint by numbers story" as you allude to above? I think it could have been reduced to two episodes, but I don't think that part of the story had to be concluded in one episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I’m surely not going to understand what it is by watching this episode, though.

The plot of the episode was pretty straight forward, one could even say it was by the numbers. Not overly complex, convoluted or obfuscated

name other typical or good episodes featuring that level of nonsense.

All of them? I'm mean this is a franchise the regularly deals with beings with god like powers, psi powers and fictional elements that bend the laws of physics. Su'Kul's ditihium fueled subspace tantrun is par for the course. Good episodes can have fantasitcal elements. At least five Star Trek pilots have had fantasical elements in them.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even quantum torpedoes didn't always destroy on the first volley.

 

[fireproof78]

All of them? I'm mean this is a franchise the regularly deals with beings with god like powers, psi powers and fictional elements that bend the laws of physics. Su'Kul's ditihium fueled subspace tantrun is par for the course. Good episodes can have fantasitcal elements. At least five Star Trek pilots have had fantasical elements in them.

Yes, but this is different...

...don't ask me how.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Those other Federation ships are pretty useless as they couldn’t even damage the Discovery. A 900 year old ship no less

It was upgraded to 32nd Century specs back at the beginning of the season. Even the exterior got tweaks.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Now they've solved the Burn, next season they can search for where the heck that cavernous space is inside Discovery.

Everytime I see it, I think of the time I was stuck on Space Mountain at Disneyland. It's a different place sitting in an unmoving car with the lights on.

 

[cooleddie74]

Discovery only generally looks the way she used to. Almost every external detail from 2257 has been changed during the 32nd century upgrades.

 

[cultcross]

Discovery only generally looks the way she used to. Almost every external detail from 2257 has been changed during the 32nd century upgrades.

Including TARDIS tech, it seems

 

[cooleddie74]

The less I think about the turboshaft scenes the better. It was a really good episode this week but the turbolift sequences only help because they're so damn stupid they're unintentionally entertaining.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Power of "cool" pew pew pews. Absolutely makes no sense.

Hero ship plot armor.

 

[Jax]

Berman ran the franchise into the ground. Kurtzman has revived it.

He first built it up by turning TNG into a well run show from the 3rd season when he took over from Gene after the yo/yo opening 2 seasons. Don't forget DS9 either though the rot began to set in with Voyager wildly inconsistency and Enterprise's obvious Prequel issues but UPN is more to blame there.

Discovery does seem to get better every season, which is good but it does feel like there is a need for more people from the 90's and early 00's period to make sure they don't give us stupid Turboshaft sequences and turn the ship into a fucking Tardis

 

[Mr Awe]

i’m not sure this happened. I don’t think that the Chain is mentioned at all once the viridian is blown up, so they might have joined the federation, became less aggressive or still be mortal enemies, we have no way to know right now.

Pretty much agreed with everything else you jus wrote.

I was pretty sure they said it in a voice over near the end that they united because Osyra was dead. But, I could be mistaken.

 

[Tuskin38]

No, kidding. DOCTOR WHO tech, indeed.

Including TARDIS tech, it seems

Enterprise made that tech canon in season 2.

 

[Bad Robot]

Are you sure you actually like Trek?

Are you?

 

[Mr Awe]

But any reason for the burn or another large scale event of that kind would have rely on babble of some sort, right?

Not necessarily. At the beginning of the season, I thought they were building some sort of environmental degradation of space theme. I also thought that it was going to be revealed that the Federation was responsible because they didn't change their ways. I thought that could be interesting.

YMMV whether that is better than what we got. But, a child screaming as causing the Burn thanks to some extremely ridiculous DNA thing (do these guys know any science) did not work for me at all.

get your point, but wouldn't retaking the ship in one episode, which you say has already been done multiple times, made it more of a "paint by numbers story" as you allude to above? I think it could have been reduced to two episodes, but I don't think that part of the story had to be concluded in one episode.

It seemed like a paint by numbers story that was stretched out too long. If it had been resolved in one episode, it would've been better by being shorter. Just making it longer doesn't make it more elaborate. It could have been condensed to one episode, as similar storylines in the past have been.

I'm glad you liked it! Overall, I do enjoy Discovery. Unfortunately, the last several episodes didn't work for me even though I wanted to enjoy them.

 

[Deks]

I was pretty sure they said it in a voice over near the end that they united because Osyra was dead. But, I could be mistaken.

The voiceover mentioned that because of Osyraa's death, the Chain fractured (aka, its disorganized and probably no longer a viable threat to the Federation - right now, the Chain is likely being reduced to independent 'pirate operations' that SF will need to deal with occasionally [think Orion Pirates from the 23rd century], but otherwise, shouldn't be too huge of a threat).

The Chain would still have operations remaining on some of those 50 pre-warp planets, but without Osyraa, the operations would probably fall apart pretty quickly (unless someone else stepped in), and/or the Federation will now be stepping in to repair the damage and remove Emerald Chain presence from those planets and help them return to being independent pre-warp societies.
But because those societies were contaminated with Osyraa's presence already, its possible the Federation will offer them the option to join up if they wish... although I suspect they will be treated like the Bajorans were immediately after Cardassian occupation... helped them on a path to recovery without any interference in their internal affairs (probably help to reclaim their own cultural histories before the Emerald Chain), and when they reach a sufficient technological level, a 'proper first contact' would be established.

You know, there could be potential here for some decent stories in Season 4.
Maybe some of those pre-warp societies have reached at least our level of technology (aka earl 21st century) and might decide that building Dyson Swarms could be a good idea - maybe even prompt the Federation to do the same (or they decide its a good idea to do that as part of its own rebuilding efforts)

 

[Timo]

Well, ok, maybe they were just trying to disable it, still pretty unbelievable they came out of being attack by several federation starships and the viridian with shields at 50%.

It would be less believable for the shields to suddenly be pummeled to 12%. I mean, just a few more shots by sheer accident, and no more spore drive for the 32nd century!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr Awe]

The plot of the episode was pretty straight forward, one could even say it was by the numbers. Not overly complex, convoluted or obfuscated [Quote ="NCC-73515]name other typical or good episodes featuring that level of nonsense.

All of them? I'm mean this is a franchise the regularly deals with beings with god like powers, psi powers and fictional elements that bend the laws of physics. Su'Kul's ditihium fueled subspace tantrun is par for the course. Good episodes can have fantasitcal elements. At least five Star Trek pilots have had fantasical elements in them.[/QUOTE]
You're right, god like beings are a common theme in Trek. And, you're probably on to something. If you're alright with those beings, you might well like the resolution for the Burn. But, I'm not a fan of those god like beings. I find them boring. I'm looking at you Q! Also, I think as the answer to a season long mystery, it's not particularly good or creative.

Of course, YMMV.

 

[Deks]

Enterprise made that tech canon in season 2.

Yes, but that was at the height of the Federation using Temporal Technology.
We still don't know if that TARDIS tech was temporal based or not... and even if it was, it may be using it but without time-travelling benefits (which would violate the Temporal Accords).
Which would depend on how explicit those accords are and whether some aspects of the technology could be salvaged/used while others can't.

 

[Jax]

Admiral Janeway clearly went to the future and gave Discovery some good old Armour tech

I love btw how that tech has never been addressed in Picard or this season of Discovery. Best to ignore that stupid idea from B&B (not too mention Endgame allowed the Borg to assimilate the tech).