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SPOILERS - Wonder Woman 1984 - Review Thread

Like, don't start filming on only the first draft of your script?

There was no exec with enough guts (and concern for the quality of the product) to tell them to go back to the drawing board, because this script was awful and misguided.

Or, if you haven't got two and a half hours of story don't make your movie two and a half hours long.

Or how about, don't turn your main character into a rapist.

If a man drugs a woman and has sex with her when she's unconscious that's rape. Magic bullshit aside this is no different.

Well, Diana is a woman, so the audience is supposed to hand wave away the fact that she was using another living being to satisfy her desires. As many have said, if the roles were reversed, there would have been 10,000 articles and cable news "investigations" about "normalizing" manipulation / ignoring the idea of free will of an individual all for the sake of sexual desire. But you will not see that because the "right" gender was in the driver's seat. So much for a moral core to the character (and the screenwriters).


So we've reached the "If your rapist is attractive/if you might have willingly slept with your rapist under different circumstances, such as if you had you been conscious, it can't be rape" portion of the discussion. Which, oddly enough, is a very 80's position to take.

DC made a female empowerment movie where their role model for young women has sex with someone who cannot consent and is not conscious (and, to add literal insult to literal injury, makes fun of his lifestyle before/after the intercourse). Maybe not the best message for young girls to absorb.

Remember, this is from the entertainment business that routinely attempts to browbeat / blacklist anyone who dares to defy their generally warped ideas on a number of issues, so in their minds, the idea of a character using a free human being for her surrogate sexual interest is A-ok. In reality, it was an abominable sub-plot that nearly ruins all that built the Diana/WW character in two of her three earlier appearances. It was only Gadot in her general performance (not related to Trevor) that was good.

Let's leave the sex part out of it completely. At no point did Diana (or Steve) show ANY concern for the person who's been booted out of his own body and if she hadn't needed to get her powers back she'd have been happy to leave things just the way they are.

What a hero!

Yes, and in the end, this was a major failure for the DCEU, and unlike the theatrical version of Justice League (where its problems were centered on the wrong director, incorrect instincts about the material and his abusive behavior utterly derailing the film from its original intent), WW84's issues go far beyond a hack-level script, but its authors' complete lack of a moral perspective on what the lead character becomes from her actions...blithely skipping over an unforgivably predatory act for reasons.
 
From all the negative reviews and the clips that I've seen, I'm not in any hurry to see this movie - ever. Does it have any redeeming points at all?
 
I think I'll wait for it to be shown on TV or a streaming service to which I subscribe. It looks to be at roughly the Hellboy reboot level of crapiness so not worth spending much money to see.
 
Well, Diana is a woman, so the audience is supposed to hand wave away the fact that she was using another living being to satisfy her desires. As many have said, if the roles were reversed, there would have been 10,000 articles and cable news "investigations" about "normalizing" manipulation / ignoring the idea of free will of an individual all for the sake of sexual desire. But you will not see that because the "right" gender was in the driver's seat. So much for a moral core to the character (and the screenwriters).,.
I'm suddenly thinking bask to the 70's Heinlein novel I Will Fear No Evil, where an old billionare on life support gets his brain transplanted into his recently murdered secretary. he/she, among other things, has various sexual encounters.

So let's say (and of course we don't know if this is true} Not-Steve was actually dead, kind of switching places with Steve and was somewhere in that good place , which explains why he remembers nothing and would just have lost a few days when he gets back. Would Dianna and Steve have still committed rape?

And BTW to several posters who mention it, yes Steve does gesture to himself and says "And what about THIS guy?" the first time they have an argument in Diana's home office.. This was another reason for him to want Diana to renounce the wish. I still wish Diana would have acknowledged it, but Steve did.
 
Yes. If you like Gal Godot as Wonder Woman, it's a great movie.*

*And she has sex with Chris Pine, which pretty much covers all my bases.
I thought it was Chris Pine reincarnated into a meat puppet by a magic crystal. Like that's a thing that could totally happen...

I've seen the invisible plane (difficult, I know) and Kristen Wiig as a cat lady already so satisfied I'm on my way.
 
As someone else commented, Stargate Universe already established it's apparently not immoral to have sex while one's psyche inhabits someone else's body.
 
As someone else commented, Stargate Universe already established it's apparently not immoral to have sex while one's psyche inhabits someone else's body.

I think they did, eventually. But by then a few characters who were supposed to be moral had already done it, so it was likely just the writers going "Oh darn...wow we didn't realize how messed up this is. Sorry!"
 
From all the negative reviews and the clips that I've seen, I'm not in any hurry to see this movie - ever. Does it have any redeeming points at all?
It's bright and breezy, I think it could have used another pass or two (or three) to tighten it up but as you can see by some of the responses here YMMV. Your best bet is to avoid what people are saying and preconceptions and just watch it yourself and see what you think. I mean, I know one can say that about any movie, but this one at least I can see people liking depending on what they're looking for.
 
I think I've seen most of it by now in review clips on YouTube. I'm not a massive fan of the previous WW movie and this one appears to dial the fantasy element up to 11. What's been shown of Pedro Pascal's acting makes him looks like he's on acid a lot of the time. Does it reveal why WW no longer has her invisible jet or her golden eagle armour in the BvS and JL movies?
 
I think I've seen most of it by now in review clips on YouTube. I'm not a massive fan of the previous WW movie and this one appears to dial the fantasy element up to 11. What's been shown of Pedro Pascal's acting makes him looks like he's on acid a lot of the time. Does it reveal why WW no longer has her invisible jet or her golden eagle armour in the BvS and JL movies?

Well as to the jet. It wasn't really 'her' jet. She stole one from the Smithsonian and then used her powers to turn it invisible. After that she was able to fly on her own so probably not needing a jet if you can fly. Although the biggest question then is why doesn't she fly in the DCU movies.

As to the armor. It looked like it really got busted up pretty good.
 
I think I've seen most of it by now in review clips on YouTube. I'm not a massive fan of the previous WW movie and this one appears to dial the fantasy element up to 11. What's been shown of Pedro Pascal's acting makes him looks like he's on acid a lot of the time. Does it reveal why WW no longer has her invisible jet or her golden eagle armour in the BvS and JL movies?

No superhero movie ever sets the fantasy element any lower than 11. Because superheroes.*

Is the armor in need of any explanation whatsoever?

She changes clothes every few decades or so. She got tired of the old armor.

Diana in these movies has never had an invisible jet. She briefly made a stolen jet invisible in this one. Of course, modern Wonder Woman flies and has no need of such a gadget.

*Fuck Batman. No such human being ever has or ever could exist.
 
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