Well, he was thin, neat and single and a snappy dresser. And he made no move to get her number or anything at the end.
SPOILERS - Wonder Woman 1984 - Review Thread
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So we've reached the "If your rapist is attractive/if you might have willingly slept with your rapist under different circumstances, such as if you had you been conscious, it can't be rape" portion of the discussion. Which, oddly enough, is a very 80's position to take.
DC made a female empowerment movie where their role model for young women has sex with someone who cannot consent and is not conscious (and, to add literal insult to literal injury, makes fun of his lifestyle before/after the intercourse). Maybe not the best message for young girls to absorb.
I'll be sure my children get the right lesson from the second movie about the immortal flying superwoman with the glowing lasso.
Are you seriously trying to claim that the DCEU Wonder Woman is not supposed to be a female empowerment role model for young girls
Are you seriously trying to claim that the DCEU Wonder Woman is not supposed to be a female empowerment role model for young girls
I think the point is that some are taking awfully seriously a movie about an "immortal flying superwoman with the glowing lasso".
I tend to believe context is everything. Is what Wonder Woman did rape? No. Because Steve Trevor was controlling the body at the point of them having sex, not whoever the guy was that owned the body. I can't even believe people see this as an issue. It feels like white males who need to lash out because they've been asked to change their behavior over the last couple of decades. That they need to play "GOTCHA!!!" at every turn now.
There's a good chance that she was pregnant with his child.
Child support is one thing.
Child support to an immortal demigod is another.
400 bucks a week for 17 thousand years until their baby reaches a state of maturity?
I'm amazed he talked to Diana, rather than slink off never to be seen again.
Note...
The Steve stand in actor once played Cupid on TV and his value system about responsible sex with mortals was quite childish too.
Happy to hear that. Particularly Marcus Corp benefiting from this. Living in Wisconsin most of my life vast majority of movie theaters I have gone to are theirs. They reopened some theaters months ago and had to close some do to lack of business.
On Sundays they have had $1 movies for the last few weeks. All old movies that I have on DVD or Blu Ray but happy to go still. Usually I was alone or 2 other people in a screening. Theaters get most of their money from concessions. So I bought something every time. For Wonder Woman maybe 20 people on large screen. Everyone was sitting far apart from anyone they did not come with it. I love the movie going experience. WW1984 is great start to keep it going.
This thread alone is 8 pages long and is mostly arguments about if a WW1 pilot could fly a modern jet. People do take movies seriously, no matter how fictional they are. I mean, you're posting on a Star Trek forum....
Wonder Woman has been purposely positioned as a role model for your girls. It is a major part of every marketing campaign for the film's she is in, Jenkins and Gadot and WB constantly say that is their goal, and every major and minor publication has written articles about this. And she had sex with a person's body when that person wasn't conscious or in control of it.
As for the rest, I think that's complete bullshit. The issue of consent raised but never express by this movie is being discussed everywhere, it most definitely is not just straight white guys going "Gotcha!".
She had sex with a person who had no control over his body. Regardless of it being because of magic or drugs, the person wasn't in control of his physical body and she had sex with it. That's problematic at best.
Let's leave the sex part out of it completely. At no point did Diana (or Steve) show ANY concern for the person who's been booted out of his own body and if she hadn't needed to get her powers back she'd have been happy to leave things just the way they are.
What a hero!
What a hero!
yes, Quantum Leap is the perfect comparison. I adore that show but if you start looking for holes in the premise - there are a tons. But it does not matter. QL like WW is a total fantasy. It’s all magic. Trying to explore the ethics about body swapping is ridiculous. There is no real world comparison to this at all. It’s about caring about the characters. That is what matters.
I honestly thought that was going to be Steve's argument at the end to make Diana renounce the wish but it never came up once from anyone. They totally would have stolen his life and never thought twice about it if the world wasn't about to end.
Because Diana isn't a perfect person. She got something she badly wanted, a loved one returned to her, that would likely blind most anyone to the moral implications of what happened.
Back to @King Bob! 's comment that it's only white men complaining, The Mary Sue, a feminist website (for anyone who hasn't heard of it), just posted an article about it:
https://www.themarysue.com/ww84-major-misstep-with-chris-pine-steve-trevor/
https://www.themarysue.com/ww84-major-misstep-with-chris-pine-steve-trevor/
Awesome. Though the first I've heard about it is in this thread.
Funny that if it was that big of a blunder, why was it barely touched on in the review?
Dunno. I'm seeing lots of tweets/articles about it.
You know they're gonna ride this dinosaur to hell, right? Let 'em.
It is Alice Eve in her underwear all over again.
Did Kristoffer Poloha appear earlier on in the movie that he may have come into contact with the dream stone in the first act and wished to get it on with the most beautiful woman in the world?
At least that's how the booth at the end works, over lapping intersecting wishes vs payment.
At least that's how the booth at the end works, over lapping intersecting wishes vs payment.
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