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Spoilers VOY: To Lose The Earth by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread

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I am not American, and know anime very well thanks. Oddly, a lot of Japanese studios worked with European companies in the eighties, so while some like say ‘Ulysses 31’ or ‘around the world with Willy fog’ are not technically ‘Japanese’ they were made by Japanese animation studios, and share stylistic tendencies with ‘anime’.In this case by bunging the word Pixar in front of Anime, I hoped it was obvious I was making more of a description of the influence working the other way. Once, the mouse influenced Tezuka, now it works the other way.
OK, sorry. A lot people just kind of assume all animation is the same, and people using the wrong terms for things like that is a big pet peeve of mine.
I did not realize that about the Japanese and European studios. It is kind of amazing how connected all of that of stuff has been over the years.
In this case, I suspect we will be getting 3D Cg cel-shaded animation aimed at a wide audience. Pixar Anime if you will.
One of the things I am most curious about with Prodigy is what kind of animation style they're going to go for.

What do we do when Disney buys Ghibli rights? Is Monoke still anime if Neil Gaiman had his donkey in the soup?
And why is ‘In the Aftermath’ so good despite being cheap and having a chunk of Oshii in it?
I think Disney released at least a couple of the Ghibli movies at one point.
Never heard of In the Aftermath.
If Disney buys CBS does Kes become a Disney Princess?\
I wouldn't put it past them. I'm kind of amazed they haven't added Princess Leia to the Disney Princesses.
 

I like to think Ripley is a Disney Princess by now. Certainly the clone Ripley if a royal tie is required. (Alien Queens are still Queens...)

‘In the Aftermath’ is on YouTube, indie/cheap post apocalyptic film, with chunks of ‘Angels Egg’ by GiTs and Patalbor director Oshii cut in, sort of like Power Rangers in the sense of using material from one to tell a different story. It’s really quite good and emotionally effective, and is worth a watch. XD
 
Resistance wasn't anime either. Anime is a very specific style of Japanese animation, best known to most Americans through the works of Hayao Miyazaki, and series like Naruto and Cowboy Bebop.

Really, anime is just the Japanese word for animation in general, foreshortening the English loan word as they often do (e.g. "costume play" becoming "cosplay," "car navigation" (GPS) becoming "carnavi," etc.). But Westerners use it to refer to animation made by Japanese creators.



I haven't seen anything on any novels from Christopher lately, our DTI guru. Maybe he's working on something from the DTI angle ;) .

I have recently completed something that should be announced soon, but I haven't been approached about anything DTI-related since Shield of the Gods a few years back.
 
I have recently completed something that should be announced soon, but I haven't been approached about anything DTI-related since Shield of the Gods a few years back

:sigh:

Glad to see you have another novel coming out though--still I'd love to see something come of a DTI-Krenim and maybe something involving Picard angle. You are one of the continuity guys so if anyone could tie it altogether you probably could. :D

The future is full of possibilities so I'll keep my fingers crossed :techman:
 
Finally got a chance to finish the book tonight and I just can't believe this is the ending we're getting to the litverse. For me it just falls soooo flat at the end. I really feel like the last 2 chapters just totally ruin the book for me.

As a send off to Voyager the wedding is cute but the book just ends all of a sudden. it's like all of the complaints of the voyager finale happened over again.

And I just can't believe how the Conlon/Kim storyline ended, just awful. I'm fine with them not being together but there is absolutely no payoff to the story and whatever conversation Conlon apparently did have with Kim was off screen! Beyer said this was supposed to be Harry's story and... what did he learn? He wants a kid and was screwed over again. Hell, he doesn't even get promoted (still) and doesn't even become the XO of the ship he has been spending so much time helping.

Hell, and unless I missed it, we don't even learn where the doctor ends up at the end, or Barclay even.

I'm rambling here but what a letdown to what was a fascinating book and series.
 
Hell, he doesn't even get promoted (still) and doesn't even become the XO of the ship he has been spending so much time helping.

Well, to be fair, it's possible he will get that promotion - as far as I know, nobody's new job title(s) were listed: Tom and B'Elanna are returning to the Alpha Quadrant/Earth with their kids, and Cmdr. O'Donnell gave up command of the Demeter to join the Voyager crew on their next adventure, but it's not stated who is taking over as First Officer or Fleet Chief Engineer (the latter if anybody), or what O'Donnell, a senior science and command officer, is going to do now (but it was confirmed that Lt. Cmdr. Fife would serve as acting Captain of the Demeter until Starfleet either assigned somebody else or promoted him to the job full-time).
 
Well, to be fair, it's possible he will get that promotion - as far as I know, nobody's new job title(s) were listed: Tom and B'Elanna are returning to the Alpha Quadrant/Earth with their kids, and Cmdr. O'Donnell gave up command of the Demeter to join the Voyager crew on their next adventure, but it's not stated who is taking over as First Officer or Fleet Chief Engineer (the latter if anybody), or what O'Donnell, a senior science and command officer, is going to do now (but it was confirmed that Lt. Cmdr. Fife would serve as acting Captain of the Demeter until Starfleet either assigned somebody else or promoted him to the job full-time).
Oh for sure, and it may happen off screen in the future, but that's my point. There's just no payoff at the end of this book and again it just feels like it ends all of a sudden. 6 Chapters somehow crammed into 1 at the very end.
 
Finally got a chance to finish the book tonight and I just can't believe this is the ending we're getting to the litverse. For me it just falls soooo flat at the end. I really feel like the last 2 chapters just totally ruin the book for me.
Then it's a good thing it won't be, while nothing has been officially announced yet, it's sounding more and more likely that we'll be getting at least one or two more Novelverse books.
 
Then it's a good thing it won't be, while nothing has been officially announced yet, it's sounding more and more likely that we'll be getting at least one or two more Novelverse books.

So it's not To Lose La Trek? :D

(I'll see myself out...)
 
I wouldn't be surprised if part of the impetus for Voyager's new multi-year mission is that they'd be getting back to the Federation right around the novelverse "present day" so they could be involved in Crisis on Infinite Treks or whatever it's going to be.
Oh hope so, as I disliked To Lose the Earth's ending (besides the "event") a lot; seemed to me as if Voyager could well be gone for good (oh no thank you!), what a downer. Just hoping that ST: Prodigy is set after 2386 and it's Admiral Janeway featured as a living character, so I can relegate for myself TLtE firmly to Trek non "canon" status (which I know it is, but on-screen new confirmation that KJ isn't "never to be heard from" yet AGAIN would be nice).
 
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I'm not finished yet, but thank you Kirsten for giving Harry Kim more to do in this book than in almost all the Voyager TV episodes, and for creating great supporting characters in your Voyager journey!
 
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